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NumptyAussie 4th Sep 2018 11:42

Are Qantas not paying their bills?
 
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-04/qantas-fees-nt-airports-darwin-alice-springs-charges/10200132

Section28- BE 4th Sep 2018 11:49

Link- would seem to be stuffed......

Rgds
S28- BE

roundsounds 4th Sep 2018 12:01


stormfury 4th Sep 2018 13:02

How very altruistic of Qantas. Their concern for customers back pockets, at times of record profits, is truly inspiring.


The refusal was made on the basis "it does not pay charges it does not agree to", the submission says.
I wonder how Qantas would react if pax took the same philosophy when paying for Qantas services. It’s not as if Qantas has ever been embroiled in a price-fixing scandal...

GA Driver 4th Sep 2018 14:23

Geez not the first time QF has been locked into a ‘stoush....’ Canberra anyone?!?! :rolleyes:

I love this part,

This mindset of monopoly airports charging customers whatever they can get away with is why we need better regulation....
Isn’t that the exact same mindset of monopoly airlines??

Torres 4th Sep 2018 21:08


But at the time Alice Springs chief executive Dave Batic disagreed, and said the airport charged less than $30 on average per person per flight and the rest of the airline ticket costs were Qantas charges.



As of Tuesday evening, the cheapest Qantas flight from Darwin to Sydney on September 8 is $422 one-way.

The cheapest Jetstar flight for that route is $284 and the cheapest Virgin flight is $330.


$30 per person departure tax. Does Sydney levy a passenger arrival tax? Plus en-route navigation charges. Plus landing and parking charges? Plus GST being 9.09% of the fare.

Of course airport and other Government charges are a very significant part of a passenger air fare. The higher the charges, the higher the air fare.

TBM-Legend 4th Sep 2018 21:17

Torres, most people on here don't have a clue about the financial side of running an airline. I'm pleased to see QF stand up against monopolies like this. Smaller carriers don't have the same clout and get the one fingered salute from airports and others. Townsville is very expensive too....

Going Boeing 4th Sep 2018 22:19

A few years ago, Qantas refused to allow Brisbane Airport Corporation to charge a levy on passengers in/out of BNE to pay for the future parallel runway. Joyce said that you can’t force people to pay for something that they are not benefiting from - I think that was the only time that I agreed with anything that bully said.

CaptCloudbuster 5th Sep 2018 01:18


Originally Posted by Going Boeing (Post 10241492)
Joyce said that you can’t force people to pay for something that they are not benefiting from - I think that was the only time that I agreed with anything that bully said.

And yet he’s implemented a Policy whereby employees “pay” through their hard work toward a record profit but may not “benefit” (bonus payment) when it’s actually honoured :rolleyes:

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 5th Sep 2018 02:04


A few years ago, Qantas refused to allow Brisbane Airport Corporation to charge a levy on passengers in/out of BNE to pay for the future parallel runway. Joyce said that you can’t force people to pay for something that they are not benefiting from - I think that was the only time that I agreed with anything that bully said.
And in the end, Qantas did come to the party. So as usual, it was all p*ss and wind by Mr Joyce. I believe it was actually a request for QF to directly contribute to the costs by an increase in landing fees then, in preference to higher fees when the runway was finished. How QF chose to absorb or pass that on was up to them, if they chose to accept the deal.

you can’t force people to pay for something that they are not benefiting from
So that means QF can not put a dollar or two on a ticket, to save up to pay for new aircraft in the future? Yea right.

Dee Vee 5th Sep 2018 03:58


Originally Posted by stormfury (Post 10241125)
The refusal was made on the basis "it does not pay charges it does not agree to", the submission says.

I'll have to remember to tell that to the bank next time they raise my home loan interest rates.

harrryw 5th Sep 2018 06:06

A few aircraft on the ground, a lien on them to pay back charges and the Airport closed to future movements until all bills paid and arangements to maintain payments made. That would lead to a quick rethink. That would shows what ransom is.

Dee Vee 5th Sep 2018 06:11


Originally Posted by harrryw (Post 10241637)
A few aircraft on the ground, a lien on them to pay back charges and the Airport closed to future movements until all bills paid and arangements to maintain payments made. That would lead to a quick rethink.

Maybe just keep every inbound Qantas aircraft in a holding pattern for 45 minutes before clearing them to land. And delay every takeoff for an hour...

Purely due to "operational" reasons, nothing to do with unpaid bills....

mattyj 5th Sep 2018 06:14

They do that anyway at Darwin..especially if the RAAF cadet controllers are studying holding patterns that week!

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 5th Sep 2018 06:17


Originally Posted by Dee Vee (Post 10241640)
Maybe just keep every inbound Qantas aircraft in a landing pattern for 45 minutes before clearing them to land. And delay every takeoff for an hour...

Purely due to "operational" reasons, nothing to do with unpaid bills....

Tis a pity the Airport does not have anything to do with provision of ATC then, otherwise these might have been options.

Dee Vee 5th Sep 2018 06:18


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 10241644)
They do that anyway at Darwin..especially if the RAAF cadet controllers are studying holding patterns that week!

entirely reasonable, need to make sure they are handled safely, if Qantas paid their bills, Darwin could afford experienced controllers, to process them quickly :)

TBM-Legend 5th Sep 2018 07:44


Are Qantas not paying their bills?
"Is Qantas not paying their bills?" would be correct

Re the BNE parallel runway levy, the issue was timing. Qantas and most others refused to pay because the runway hadn't been built.Would you rent a property that wasn't available?

CurtainTwitcher 5th Sep 2018 08:04


Originally Posted by TBM-Legend (Post 10241705)
Would you rent a property that wasn't available?

Is that a good analogy? Prepayment is a feature in lots of financing deals to get things built. An Off The Plan apartment usually requires a deposit & purchase commitment, enabling the builder to take a certain number pre sales to the bank get the actual construction financed, usually with some sort of discount or other advantage (no stamp duty). In return you get an IOU for an apartment where there is a currently a vacant block. Both sides can gain out of such arrangements.

RickNRoll 5th Sep 2018 08:21

Everything in the NT is more expensive. Darwin won't get the turnover or carpark revenue that larger airports do.

TBM-Legend 5th Sep 2018 10:02


Is that a good analogy?
Yes it is as the airlines aren't buying a runway. They'll be "renting" by the landing!

I've rented a number of large commercial properties and gotten up to a three month "rent free" holiday on rents. Never paid to rent before is was able to be occupied after all as stated I'm not buying. If it flies, floats and is an airport, rent it!!


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