Former QF Pilots sue QF Super
Poor form on behalf of the insurance company, you pay the fees then they accuse you of 'double dipping' when its time to pay up.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/work...31-p5013p.html |
Very interesting, I had a claim against Qantas super for which they claimed was in the trust deed, when I asked for it they produced some other excuse . I put a very aggressive solicitor onto them and they quickly rolled over. Good luck gentleman. |
Looks like the standard scenario of Insurance Companies doing whatever they can do to drive you into the ground and reduce their liability.
They are absolute crooks! |
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 10239408)
Looks like the standard scenario of Insurance Companies doing whatever they can do to drive you into the ground and reduce their liability.
They are absolute crooks! do yourself a favour and don’t comment about a subject you know absolutely nothing about. You have just missed a golden opportunity not show your ignorance. |
So Wombat Watcher, what is your position on this, and who pays your salary?
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Originally Posted by Seabreeze
(Post 10239473)
So Wombat Watcher, what is your position on this, and who pays your salary?
questions: Are these guys mainline or other? If other,their employer may give them money to buy their LOL. Who did they buy their LOL from? Qf is a self insurer when it comes to comes to mainline LOL No mainline pilot pays a premium for LOL Did they get paid LO L capital benefit? If mainline why didn’t AIPA pursue their issues? If they were AFAP ( likely to be not mainline) why didn’t AFAP pursue their issues? Why do they need to turn to ambulance chasers to pursue their issues? In summary they may have an open and shut case that they have been ripped off. However when people come in and make comments the problem is due to crooked insurance companies, in this case they don’t have a clue what they are talking about. |
I’d guess most people have got an insurance story or two that would at least partially corroborate the crook description |
Not quite sure what the story is here - you can’t claim twice for the same loss. If I drive into my garage with my bicycle on the roof rack (don’t ask how I know this can be done) I can’t claim from both my motor vehicle insurer and my home insurer for the damage to my garage door. If the income protection insurer is paying until age 60, then it stands to reason that the TPD insurer shouldn’t have to cover the same loss of income. And no, I am not paid by an insurance company. |
It's been my experience that insurance SOP is to tend to deny initial claims because many claimants will then give up -- even if their claim is meritorious. Continuing to press then brings a better result.
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Not quite sure what the story is here - you can’t claim twice for the same loss. |
No, insurance is for a loss. If you are paid by insurer A you cannot claim from insurer B as once you have been paid there is no loss. |
If these blokes held two income protection policies then obviously one of the providers would not pay out, that’s the law and it’s clear cut. However in this case they held TPD alongside their income protection which is a completely separate product to income protection and can be paid out whilst receiving payments from your income protection insurer. Many income protection policies include the option of adding on TPD for an extra fee. What this case boils down to is disclosure; was this clause included in the PDS at the time of taking out the cover and can it be proved. |
Originally Posted by Bull at a Gate
(Post 10239531)
No, insurance is for a loss. If you are paid by insurer A you cannot claim from insurer B as once you have been paid there is no loss. |
As I understand it Qantas super are denying a claim based upon the trust deed however their problem is it wasn’t in the trust deed at the time these two took out additional insurance. That would mean they are trying to change the rules after the game has started. |
The offset is a very common clause in such financial products and simply, if it was not there, then these fellows will win with interest, if it was there but buried somewhere in a 100 page document then the Judge will decide on whether or not a "reasonable" person could be expected to find it. If they had an accountant or financial advisor the second case may be difficult.
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I’d guess most people have got an insurance story or two that would at least partially corroborate the crook description |
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
(Post 10239380)
Poor form on behalf of the insurance company, you pay the fees then they accuse you of 'double dipping' when its time to pay up.
Same as taking out two home insurance policies and claiming it from them both if it burns down. |
Originally Posted by Bull at a Gate
(Post 10239508)
Not quite sure what the story is here - you can’t claim twice for the same loss. exactly, these guys are just trying it on. |
I think the issue here is that it wasn't made clear that you couldn't (misleading). TPD and income protection are different insurance policies for different events.
The fact that they changed the PDS is a sign they screwed up. |
Originally Posted by pilotchute
(Post 10239911)
TPD and income protection are different insurance policies for different events.
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