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roundsounds 31st Jul 2018 08:16

I understand Ross and Doug mayl be transferred back to Australia sometime in the next few weeks and that Lyndal has been discharged from hospital.

Overtheditch 31st Jul 2018 08:25

Ripper, bewdy, bonza! Travelling for next six weeks or so but will log in whenever i can get wifi, to catch up on the latest. Thanks roundsounds.

LeadSled 31st Jul 2018 09:00

That is good news.
Tootle pip!!

Capt Fathom 31st Jul 2018 12:54


Originally Posted by roundsounds (Post 10210744)
I understand Ross and Doug mayl be transferred back to Australia sometime in the next few weeks and that Lyndal has been discharged from hospital.

Without wishing to put a dampener on positive news, but just wondering how you transport critically injured persons from South Africa to Australia. No doubt the Insurance company weights up the continuing cost of medical treatment in South Africa verses transport costs to Australia.

Something to consider when venturing far from home! Travel Insurance!

Global Aviator 1st Aug 2018 05:25

Medivac Jet - easy!

Ken Borough 1st Aug 2018 06:57


Originally Posted by Global Aviator (Post 10211602)
Medivac Jet - easy!

Insurance companies are ruthlessly mercenary and hard-headed. They up for a lot of costs while their insured are receiving care off-shore but once they can get them back here, the insurance ends and the taxpayer through Medicare picks up the costs (or private health insurance if that's an option). Insurers do their damnedest to minimise their costs and get the patients back to Oz as quickly as they can. I wonder how much pressure they apply to the medical profession?

LeadSled 1st Aug 2018 07:00


Originally Posted by Global Aviator (Post 10211602)
Medivac Jet - easy!



Folks,
Qantas has "bolt-in" modules for carrying very seriously injured persons confined to a stretcher, including self-contained oxygen and various power supplies with plugs for various equipment.
Carrying badly injured persons is relatively common, it is not cheap, but neither is a medivac aircraft.
Tootle pip!!
PS: Why can't I spell "medivac" (sic) the way I think it should be??

Global Aviator 1st Aug 2018 07:37

Yep the bolt in modules take out 9 revenue seats from memory (maybe more).

A medivac jet would need to go the long way around no doubt, unless there is a something longer range. In the region I’ve seen the CL605 with around a 7 hour range.

I wonder if QF would assist with these gentlemen? Then it would only be a medivac jet to Joburg, I haven’t followed exactly where they are.

Good luck and get well soon fellow aviators.

edited - yes the site is changing “medivac” to medevac when saving?

dragon man 1st Aug 2018 08:14

I think you will find and it’s a personal opinion only that Qantas will help out. There is I am told reliably no insurance.

LeadSled 1st Aug 2018 08:30


Originally Posted by Global Aviator (Post 10211694)
Yep the bolt in modules take out 9 revenue seats from memory (maybe more).

Global,
Sound about right, per stretcher, plus seats for the medical attendants.
I sincerely hope they do have travel insurance that sticks, otherwise there going to be an urgent need for a cloud/crowd funding effort.
Tootle pip!!

PW1830 1st Aug 2018 08:32

Qantas Pilots have been known to be tight with their cash :-( but in this case I have no doubt that the money will not be a problem.
They are both held in extremely high regard as examples of professional pilots, trainers and absolute gentlemen.

Chris2303 1st Aug 2018 08:33

That's why we charge 9 full Y fares!

I've learnt something today.

roundsounds 8th Aug 2018 00:57

Returning to Australia

An article in the Australian newspaper reporting Ross and Doug are to be flown back to Australia for further treatment by QF soon.

Tankengine 8th Aug 2018 01:15


Originally Posted by roundsounds (Post 10217782)

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dragon man 8th Aug 2018 03:52

They are coming back probably in the next ten days. I spoke to a pilot who saw them in hospital Doug is responding with hand squeezes Ross is still critical.

megan 12th Aug 2018 04:30

Prelim report

http://www.caa.co.za/Accidents%20and...rts/ZS-BRV.pdf

TBM-Legend 12th Aug 2018 10:34

Unfortunately not a good read...

mattyj 12th Aug 2018 11:04

No ..that’s a terrible prelim!!

AerocatS2A 12th Aug 2018 13:11

I once had a disagreement with a friend. The issue was that another friend had pranged doing aeros with fatal results for both pilot and passenger. I dared to suggest that, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, he had probably ballsed it up somehow. My friend was incensed that I would say such a thing. My opinion was, and still is, that none of us are so good that we can't balls it up. Having accepted that, the goal is then to try and work out why a well regarded pilot can end up in a situation where they don't perform as expected and then try to learn some lessons from it so that we can each be a little safer.

Derfred 12th Aug 2018 13:35


Unfortunately not a good read...
No, it isn’t.

But apart from the spelling and grammatical errors which my 10yo son could proof-read, the Factual Summary specifically says the F/O was type rated on the aircraft (page 13) but then the preliminary findings says he wasn’t. Of course whether or not that could be a causal factor is not explored by the report.

But what the hell is a comment like this doing in the preliminary findings:


2.6 The Crew resource management (CRM) in the cockpit was found lacking
This statement is made as a “finding” with absolutely no supporting evidence or explanation!

This defies belief in an official report. It probably indicates which direction this investigation will follow.


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