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TBM-Legend 27th Mar 2018 11:30

Pommie [LON base] F/A's on first "Australian" direct service too...

Didn't see that in the news.

Rated De 27th Mar 2018 11:34


GT has been very quiet lately!
Maybe he had to travel in Y class and is still being treated in hospital :E

Capn Bloggs 27th Mar 2018 14:01

By Geoffrey Thomas...

The West Australian, Monday, 26 Mar 2018.

We didn’t feel a thing

On the first commercial Concorde flight as it passed through the sound barrier, a passenger sitting next to one of the chief designers said, “I didn’t feel a thing” .

The designer replied, “That was the hard part” .

And so it was on the first Qantas 787 nonstop flight from Perth to London — two years of hard work so that passengers didn’t feel a thing.

It was effortless because of the enormous effort expended by Qantas, Boeing, engine maker General Electric, Perth Airport and Border Force.

And that effort was on show at Perth Airport on Saturday evening, because it seemed every Qantas staff member was working, whether rostered or not. As QF9 taxied away from the terminal, airport staff and visitors at every vantage point waved us farewell.

The tyranny of distance was finally defeated — easily.

The food, wine and champagne flowed and across the plane it was a thumbs up on the culinary scorecard.

According to Lisa Norman, Qantas’ 787 chief pilot and in command of the flight, it was “leading the pack” of Europe-bound flights from Asia and what is more, we were flying higher at more than 12,000m, giving us clear air ahead in what is some of the world’s most congested airspace.

The landing, to rousing cheers, was superb.

We have made history.
And from journo Natalie Richards in Economy Class (another article in The West)...


Comforts ease squeeze
The headrest is too high, or not high enough, my neck feels like it’s been kicked by a donkey’s hind legs and I’ve lost all feeling in my right leg.

The much-hyped Dreamliner this may be, but let’s get one thing clear, this is a long-haul flight and, as with all long-haul flights, there are places you’d much rather be — bed for a start.

That said, these complaints are universal. But, if you’re sitting at the back of the bus, Qantas’ spanking new Dreamliner is about as good as it’s going to get.

They’ve thought of everything here — there’s a stand for your iPad, plug sockets and USBs. On a flight that takes off a few hours before bedtime, sleep was going to be critical to prevent cattle class from descending into a scene from the Muppets.

The cabin lights gently faded to a red glow after dinner and the temperature dropped, which was our cue to try to catch a bit of shut-eye .

The legroom, however, was a common niggle. The second the seats went back, we were squished in centimetres of space.

As we hit the tarmac at Heathrow, there was a loud round of applause at the back of the plane and not only because the inaugural flight had made it in one stab (let’s be honest, we were all a tad nervous).

It was over, far quicker than we expected.

Ex FSO GRIFFO 27th Mar 2018 15:14

Oi dinna feel a 'thing' eiver......

Oi wasn'e even dere......

cheeerrrsss...

(Hic)

betterfromabove 27th Mar 2018 17:09

Does the QF 787 have the Y class row with window-seat-with-no-window that the EY machines possess?

12 hours jammed in a corner after expecting a view on the outside world is bad enough.....but 17....

And the nannying window-shading, even if you do have a window?

WHBM 27th Mar 2018 17:49


Does the QF 787 have the Y class row with window-seat-with-no-window that the EY machines possess?
I suspect it does because one of the journalists wrote that he got it !!!

Long been a Boeing feature, to regard windows as optional for certain rows just mid-cabin, apparently to route service ducts behind. Other manufacturers seem able to do without such an approach.

busdriver007 27th Mar 2018 18:47

Geoffrey Thomas insisted and was given 5K. What the hell was Anthony Albanese doing on the flight? Reward for keeping quiet during Senate Enquiries or just in anticipation of a Labor Government?

romeocharlie 27th Mar 2018 20:59


Originally Posted by TBM-Legend (Post 10098687)
Pommie [LON base] F/A's on first "Australian" direct service too...

Didn't see that in the news.

Probably because the only real publicity QF have received in the last week has been Steve Smith wearing a hat with the roo on it.

Rated De 27th Mar 2018 23:24


What the hell was Anthony Albanese doing on the flight? Reward for keeping quiet during Senate Enquiries or just in anticipation of a Labor Government?
Mr Albanese was also present on the first flight to Dubai. Sources suggest he left an impression.

'Regulatory capture' is an interesting process Qantas have their invite only Chairman's lounge, junkets to Seattle, where the aircraft was full of 'journalists' where the champagne and caviar flowed. Scant mention of the fact that there were 600 odd 787 already operating, some on the Pacific...

As Media Watch correctly asserted, critical commentary is few and far between



Riding the first Qantas Dreamliner: Seattle, Honolulu and finally Sydney | afr.com


Yet Mr Joyce stands there with a straight face calling out the Australian cricket team for corruption (cheating) when their own business practice is at best soft corruption. Wonder why no one challenges it in the mainstream? Ask Jo Easton at the AFR..

stormfury 28th Mar 2018 02:04

Inching toward NYC
 

Qantas Airways Ltd. is evaluating direct flights from Australia to Chicago as the next step in its plan to add more ultra-long-haul destinations using an expanding fleet of Boeing Co. 787 jetliners.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...long-haul-push

It’ll be interesting to see how this compares when SIA commence their 350ULR to NYC later in the year.

TurningFinalRWY36 28th Mar 2018 02:14

SIA-NYC will be further

stormfury 28th Mar 2018 02:50


Originally Posted by TurningFinalRWY36 (Post 10099331)
SIA-NYC will be further

It certainly will. Apologies, I didn't mean copare distance wise but as a service. My understanding is that SIA will only have two classes (no economy).

AerialPerspective 28th Mar 2018 15:15


Originally Posted by busdriver007 (Post 10099035)
Geoffrey Thomas insisted and was given 5K. What the hell was Anthony Albanese doing on the flight? Reward for keeping quiet during Senate Enquiries or just in anticipation of a Labor Government?

Because he's the Shadow Minister for Transport I would think and yes, let's face it, he WILL be Minister for Transport, it's just a question of when and how big the landslide ends up being.

Guptar 28th Mar 2018 16:16

Does anyone know what the fuel on board was when they parked at London, and Perth. Just curious as to the fuel burn.

Capt Fathom 28th Mar 2018 22:04


Does anyone know what the fuel on board was when they parked at London, and Perth
Jet A1. Same as when they left! :}

Roj approved 28th Mar 2018 23:38

the rumour is the flight plan had them arriving with 8T FOB, that's about 1.5hrs of fuel at Landing weight.

Keg 28th Mar 2018 23:53

No rumour. They were planned over the top with 8. (Maybe 7.9... last week so I can’t remember anymore!) That’s at least 1.5 hours over min reserves of 30 min so closer to 120 minutes over the top. Given the low fuel flow of the 787 and the lower ZFW of these flight I suspect 8.0 is probably closer to 135- 140 minutes. No idea what they were on blox with.

Interestingly the flight a couple of days ago was planned at 17:35 flight time. Originally had 4.4T over the top. They had space to load additional fuel (which they did). Would have ended up closer to 6.0- 6.5 over the top.

Roj approved 29th Mar 2018 00:12

Keg,
The 787's are good on fuel, but there is no way 8T is ever going to be more than 120mins of fuel.

But, its good to see they can get there with 60 holding plus reserves if the have favourable winds.

in reality, the PER-LHR is not as fuel critical in the final stages as the LHR-PER will be. Lots of options in Europe, approaching PER, not so much. without a big tailwind, 8T won't get you to ADL

downdata 29th Mar 2018 00:24


Originally Posted by stormfury (Post 10099328)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...long-haul-push

It’ll be interesting to see how this compares when SIA commence their 350ULR to NYC later in the year.

While QF is still “evaluating”, NZ already stole their thunder by annoucing AU direct to ORD via AKL. Now why would anyone want to transit at BNE instead of AKL

Ushuaia 29th Mar 2018 01:39


Originally Posted by Roj approved (Post 10100426)
.... Lots of options in Europe....

True. But the limiting factor then will be the 20 hr TOD hard limit. Anyone who has lobbed into the continent short of LHR knows that it's difficult to gas-n-go quickly; mainly it's a slot thing back into the LHR system, from my experience.

Oh that's right, just get the duty limit changed:

https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...27-p4z6l2.html

"Mr Joyce also said aviation regulators would have to change rules restricting how long pilots can fly for the long-haul routes to work."


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