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TurningFinalRWY36 24th Mar 2018 11:07

assuming this is a good wind day a bad one would bring the flight time to ~18hrs I guess. 787 should be able to do it assuming it gets its levels etc. Wouldnt catch me in economy for that long though

Capn Bloggs 24th Mar 2018 12:09

My ears may have been deceiving me, but I'm sure the effo just asked Departures for "Direct Heathrow"!

They got SWAGY instead.

:ok::ok::ok::ok:

mmurray 24th Mar 2018 13:05

I'm waiting for SpaceX BFR. Anywhere to anywhere in less than an hour.

-JLS- 24th Mar 2018 13:34

I noticed they also flew ZNB over to Perth as QF777 about an hour ahead of the inbound QF9. Would this have been a bit of 'insurance' that the inaugural flight would get out on time?

cattletruck 24th Mar 2018 13:35

DVT Express.

Sitting down for 17+ hours is quite a challenge (don't forget they've probably also been sitting down for over an hour at the terminal) - will everyone be getting up for a leg stretch?

Besides the issue of the toilets clogging, becoming occupied for long periods of time, running out of water (has happened to us a couple of times on LH), all it will take is some expert to say that sitting down for so long is considered unhealthy and the opportunists among the pax will follow through with law suits for compensation (i.e free trip).

Can't stand LH flights as I get older unless the plane is half empty, but what an expensive luxury that is.

TURIN 24th Mar 2018 13:47

Shame they will have to circle for an hour at LHR..

https://www.flightradar24.com/QFA9/10d05b84

ETA 0306hrs. :rolleyes:

Capn Bloggs 24th Mar 2018 13:54

Oh, and another thing. Good to actually a see a white rat on a big tail heading west. Stood out like dog's balls in the dark. Might be the LEDs...

601 24th Mar 2018 14:27


It is a game changer, it is historic. It's as historic as the double sunrise Catalina flights. First scheduled RPT direct flight between the colonies and the motherland.
Won't be a game changer unless it has an App.

maggot 24th Mar 2018 14:33


Originally Posted by Chad Gates (Post 10095083)
Flying time is 17:07

Crikey, shorter than some DFW-SYDs I've done

TurningFinalRWY36 24th Mar 2018 14:35


Originally Posted by maggot (Post 10095305)
Crikey, shorter than some DFW-SYDs I've done

So whats the big deal then haha, ULH is horrific as pax and crew

AerialPerspective 24th Mar 2018 14:36


Originally Posted by Qantas 787 (Post 10094375)
Yes flying OZ to Europe direvt is historic but all the other stuff is.just over the top rubbish. It isnt the worlds longest flight. The fact they have a standby 787 ready to go is laughable....the aircraft has been flying for 3 weeks, it hasnt just arrived.

I wonder how many people are actually paying to be on the flight considering the media, airline execs, corporate comms and others.....

I do feel for the punters stuck in Y

... and it being the first service if they didn't have a back up aircraft people like you would be complaining if it didn't depart because there was a maintenance issue... Pan Am had another 747-121 available which they ended up using for the first service.
Yes, others have operated the 787 for years but they haven't operated it from PER to LHR direct.

TurningFinalRWY36 24th Mar 2018 14:39

Because they want to have more than 230 seats :}

Another Number 24th Mar 2018 15:22

I think the timing of the carefully planned first flight will have the desired effect of heaps of pre-flight headlines of "(Almost) World's Longest Duration" morphing into post-flight "Direct to LHR in under 16 hours!"*



*Unless the giant head of GT adds too much drag.**


**AJ "Too much drag is never a problem..."

*Lancer* 24th Mar 2018 15:23

Flying incrementally further ULH is nothing new, but Iíve never seen so much negativity about a new route!!

Good on QF, hope it goes well :ok:

WHBM 24th Mar 2018 15:32


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10095251)
Shame they will have to circle for an hour at LHR..

https://www.flightradar24.com/QFA9/10d05b84

ETA 0306hrs. :rolleyes:

Now estimating 0246.


Guess they have taken account of European clocks going forward 1 hour tomorrow morning, but still Heathrow does not allow inbounds before 0430 local (it will be 0330 UTC by then).


Hello Lambourne.

Guptar 24th Mar 2018 16:44

Route
DCT AVNEX DCT POKIP DCT SWAGY DCT VERIS/M084F360 DCT SAKAB DCT EPGUP DCT 1036S09933E DCT MUTMI N509 ELATI/N0494F360 N640 HE/N0485F380 N640 CL DCT KAT DCT CI/M084F380 P570 KITAL/N0490F380 P570 MIXAM P574 GIVKO/N0484F390 R401 OIIX/N0480F400 M317 ROTAL UP574 SYZ UT430 VUVAG UL333 DASIS/N0485F400 UR660 ERZ UW704 CRM UL746 EVGEG/N0493F400 UL746 ODERO L746 NEPOT L851 DEGET DCT ABETI 4832N01344E/N0485F400 DCT RENKA UL610 LAMLA/N0485F400 UL610 BATTY UL608 SUMUM L608 LOGAN

This is the plan from Flight Aware

Some questions

They have planned M.084 is that slightly slower than normal cruise...maybe LRC? Are they running a very low Cost Index number for this flight.

At -> OIIX/N0485F400.......why knots rather than Mach number

Step climbs of 1000 foot steps seems like they have planned to be closer to optimum alt than the usual bracket technique, so why top out at F400 given the altitude capability of the aircraft. Winds above F400?

How do the flight following programs know the position /speed of aircraft far out to sea, I didn't think ADS-B satellite was running yet.

Interesting to watch this flight, they seem to be very close to the Great Circle track and abeam Singapore (north of coccus) they have picked up about 20-30 kts on the tail if 485 kts is right.

Loopa12 24th Mar 2018 16:54

Flightradar24 showing ETA 0244. Is that too early for EGLL?
Or is the plan to put the brakes on the further north they get?

TurningFinalRWY36 24th Mar 2018 17:04

why is the eta coming back so far? too many directs?

wiggy 24th Mar 2018 19:16


Flightradar24 showing ETA 0244. Is that too early for EGLL?
As has been said aside from one or two niche exceptions the night slot earliest landing into LHR is 0430 local = 0330Z Sunday AM due clocks changing this weekend.

WHBM 24th Mar 2018 19:36

If their last routing point is LOGAN (alias Clacton) and Heathrow is on westerlies (forecast to change round to this overnight - just) then they should be passing right overhead Chateau WHBM on approach.

Too dark for a photo, but I'll set the alarm.


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