If you were to google “atsb loading related event” you will see a whole series of events where aircraft have departed with incorrect loads that were only picked up later. The most recent I am aware of was in December with an A330 operating SYD-PEK that took off around 500 kg over MTOW. Nothing will happen to the crew as they were of the reasonable belief the aircraft was loaded correctly around 900 kg lighter.

I am not one for breaking rules, real rules, not ones that have been made up. There is no rule that says an aircraft must have the weight displayed in real time in the cockpit, let alone wait for that value to drop to a magic number before takeoff, or an aircraft cannot commence an approach if the reported tower wind exceeds the tailwind limit.

We have all flown with people with different personal standards that they apply above the regulatory minimum, what this thread in essence is about is people who project their personal standards onto others and pass them off are being the rule when in fact they are just another persons opinion.

Wrap it up! We’ve only just got started, what about the sub groups? The Qaustronauts, Voztronauts, Cobsonauts....;)

I think the administrators should change the website name to Prune. Nothing professional in the dribble on this thread. :ugh:

Trouble with the Australian's I've had to fly with is, they seem to want to reinvent the wheel. It's all been down before by proper pilots decades ago. Tried to tell them, if it ain't broken then don't fix it. Keep it simple! Complicate thinks and people screw up. KIS!!!

Not sure if that's a Freudian slip or a sophisticated play on words. :ok:

The mob I work for need the last two sentences of your post framed and put in the chief pilots office.

Exactly, it ain’t the pilots who started this...

Sorry, typo = screw up. Big hands, big fingers. Too big for the phone key board. Sophisticated? No I'm simple, hence KIS. :}

I was a young F/O in an expat airline in the early 90’s and flew with ex-89-dispute skippers. It was the most fun flying I’ve ever had. These skippers took us newbies under their wings and stood up for us no matter what. Later I was jet-trained and checked by ex-AN skippers, one of which is still the best instructor I’ve ever had. Fast forward, and the roles are now reversed, with me doing the training, often of ex-QF F/Os. Every single one, without exception, has been a pleasure to fly with, selected and trained by a QF training department that obviously got it ‘right’.
Don’t drag an entire community down by how a few misguided individuals behaved way back when.

African or European?

I don't know that ! Arrrrgggghhhhhhhh !!!

Never gets old...

Big hands? Nevertheless John, a profoundly true statement.

The most delightful, professional pilot I ever flew with was from Addis. In the middle of a crew room group of inebriated, and appropriately noisy Aussies, this man entered once, and the Aussies who knew him from prior airlines fawned over him; he was that sort of person. The same program had pilots from some 90 countries, and they varied in their skills, and character, but they generally did a job. Flying with one or the other wasn't so very different, except for the occasional person who would have stood out in any program, for better or worse. Of these, the distribution was pretty much random. That operation was in a location where the book "Cultures Consequences" and it's riveting sequel was appropriate reading.

There is more that we have in common than we are usually prepared to admit.

As a group, tossing the holy hand grenade of Antioch at the group that you have a grievance with is hardly good CRM or consistent with achieving harmonious flight decks. Aussies can be a PITA, just like every other nationality on the planet.

Ask the passengers on QF32 from SIN what they think of Oz captain/pilot/crew capability and persona

Oh sweet Jeebus, I'd steer clear of that question...!

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Or the passengers on QF1 at BKK.....

He must have been quite a remarkable man. As your post reads now - this man from Addis entered each Aussie once, and then they all fawned over him.

Your post proves both the remarkable nature of Aussies, and the importance of punctuation.


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