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peewit 18th Jan 2018 20:40

Technical reasons
 
With airlines making statements like this "Malaysia Airlines' flight MH122/ 18 January 2018 from Sydney to Kuala Lumpur has been diverted to Alice Springs due to technical reasons" it is hardly surprising that passengers get scared and media get it wrong. Maybe advising passengers and future passengers that shutting down one engine and making a safe landing is something that pilots are trained for would be more informative than just keeping everyone in the dark with "technical reasons".

1a sound asleep 18th Jan 2018 22:08


Originally Posted by peewit (Post 10024036)
With airlines making statements like this "Malaysia Airlines' flight MH122/ 18 January 2018 from Sydney to Kuala Lumpur has been diverted to Alice Springs due to technical reasons" it is hardly surprising that passengers get scared and media get it wrong. Maybe advising passengers and future passengers that shutting down one engine and making a safe landing is something that pilots are trained for would be more informative than just keeping everyone in the dark with "technical reasons".

SPOT ON! Its the deception and not being told that pax hate and will use against an airline. "Operational reasons" and "technical issues" are basically like "cover up" or "we dont want to tell the truth"

Nil further 18th Jan 2018 23:02

If you ask anyone who was actually there , that was about Eric Moodys contribution to the entire thing .

Not a hero ......not a clue .....allegedly.

NSEU 18th Jan 2018 23:05


Originally Posted by OttoL
Just saw JT on Sunrise this morning.
Says it was probably "an engine stall"

<sigh>

Isn't "engine stall" a generic term for something caused by a disruption of airflow through the engine (for whatever reason)? Without details of what actually caused the problem, how can you say it wasn't a stall?

krismiler 18th Jan 2018 23:09

When Emirates crashed a B777 during a botched go around in Dubai, they described it as "an operational event".

jack11111 18th Jan 2018 23:28

Declaring a "technical issues" to me is such tosh when really you should say: "One engine shut-down due to an abundance of caution."

Technical issues is just weaselly, airline speak.

Passenger claims: "Passengers on board the flight, which departed Sydney at 1.35pm local time have told of their terror, taking to social media to tell how the plane’s crew were “preparing to crash”.

Mr Wolton said while it was a frightening experience, it proved aircraft can fly safely with only one engine.

We really need to find higher quality SLF.

"The passengers are revolting, Captain" They certainly ARE.

tartare 18th Jan 2018 23:35

...or a major malfunction? :E
Seriously though - imagine what it's like to be SLF, and hear a loud bang then experience intense vibration.
You'd be shitting yourself.
Hell - I'm a pilot and I'd be shitting myself (jeez, that sounded like a blade cutting loose, did it miss the cabin, take out any hydraulic lines, is the whole disk next?).

"Ladies and gentlemen, obviously we have a problem with one engine - the plane can fly perfectly well without it running. We're going to shut it down and quickly drop to a lower altitude as a precaution, please ensure you're seated with your seatbelts firmly fastened...."

Sunfish 18th Jan 2018 23:36

Part of the reasoning will include proximity to maintenance facilities.

Global Aviator 18th Jan 2018 23:41

People fast to kick the feet into MH, as as been said above it appears a solid decision to divert to a pretty much guaranteed CAVOK airport. International airport, facilities, no doubt also on most airlines approved airports. Itís a no brained really.

Fly the plane deal with the issues divert to suitable airport. Obviously not thinking but itís not a home base for engineering.

So far to me itís nice work Capt and crew.

Anilv 19th Jan 2018 00:20


Originally Posted by krismiler (Post 10023482)
At least he diverted to a suitable airport instead of continuing on like some people have done.

damned if you do, damned if you don't..

Anilv

Capn Bloggs 19th Jan 2018 00:23


Originally Posted by Sunfish
Part of the reasoning will include proximity to maintenance facilities.

In a twin, that should have nothing to do with it.

Miraz 19th Jan 2018 00:30

Diverting to ASP seems like a sensible call - it's been on the ground for several hours, and not a single PPRUNE post with any photos of damaged components or claims of first hand knowledge. :ok:

Octane 19th Jan 2018 01:15

Is Alice Springs an international airport?!

Lookleft 19th Jan 2018 01:51


Part of the reasoning will include proximity to maintenance facilities.
What maintenance facilities for an A330 do you think exist in AS Sunfish? I would suggest that the crew diverted to AS because it was closest suitable airport due to its ATC and passenger facilities, the weather and its proximity to their position.

Job well done from where I sit.

Gegenbeispiel 19th Jan 2018 02:27

Continue on 1 engine over water ???
 

Originally Posted by krismiler (Post 10023482)
At least he diverted to a suitable airport instead of continuing on like some people have done.

Continuing out over water on one engine when the problem occurred over land would have seemed somewhat insane - and contrary to procedures.

Sounds like a job well done by the flight crew. The brace position call may have been airline's procedure for any landing with engine problems, same as having fire appliances rolling.

WingNut60 19th Jan 2018 02:39

Cannot be pleasant sitting watching a windmilling engine banging away outside your window.

This incident seems to bear some similarity to the Air Asia Airbus A330, (9M-XXE) incident near Carnarvon, Western Australia, on 25 June 2017.

Final report for that event due out soon. I'm eager to see what ATSB has to say about that turn-back.

CurtainTwitcher 19th Jan 2018 02:40


I'm eager to see what ATSB has to say about that turn-back.
It will be a masterful work of diplomacy...

mrdeux 19th Jan 2018 02:51

Darwin had thunderstorms. Alice, Learmonth both ok. Alice is a bit further than Learmonth, but not hugely.

What about Curtain? I'm sure the pax would love a night in Hedland. And it was less than 100 miles away.

WingNut60 19th Jan 2018 03:00

Emergency services also come into the equation. Not a lot at Curtin nor Learmonth.
You'd probably do better at Karratha. Might be a bit short for an ailing A330.

Port Hedland however does have Immigration available from time to time.


What about Curtain? I'm sure the pax would love a night in Hedland. And it was less than 100 miles away.
Not sure about your geography here. More like 300+.
And Curtin was pretty much straight down.

ACMS 19th Jan 2018 03:35

Well there’s LAND ASAP in Red and LAND ASAP in Amber.

Up to the CN and crew to decide which one they fit into and therefore which place they “SELECT” to go based on the information they have at their disposal AT THE TIME isn’t it.

( My company certainly don’t have any charts for Curtain )

You Monday morning quarterbacks need to wind it in a bit.

They all walked away and the operation was safe.


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