How does Qantas 'de-transform'?
Qantas 'worst major airline' for fuel efficiency on trans-Pacific flights, study suggests - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
So Leigh and Alan, was wondering how exactly Qantas was 'terminal' and now 'transformed'? Same fleet, same route, same everything except lower fuel prices and an accounting write down, timed by you to remove a depreciation charge... Handsomely rewarded for impairing the fleet and benefitting form lower fuel prices itsn't transformation now is it? It ranked Qantas the worst in 2016, finding it burned on average 64 per cent more fuel per passenger-kilometre than the top ranked airlines, China-based Hainan and Japan's ANA. As I stated previously in recent days ; Qantas fuel spend for ASK is way higher than peer airlines attributable in a substantial part to fleet decisions. |
What now from the most handsomely rewarded CEO in Australia? |
Originally Posted by blow.n.gasket
(Post 10021898)
Ummmm , An even bigger Bonus to come up with a solution to your question Rated De ?
........ major airline? |
We know the angels visit these forums, pray tell what fuel savings measures have Qantas employed to 'close the gap' in fuel per RPK?
Why not just shut an engine down in cruise, surely Fort Fumble has worked on that one? :ok: |
It’s a disgrace really, and pretty obvious to anyone with any knowledge of airline ops. Pilots have been saying it for years. Big twins would have made such a difference to this outfit.
Two things to take away from this. No other airline across the Pacific is at greater risk from rising fuel prices and no other airline is at a greater risk from a price on carbon. These are significant risks that should be priced into the share price. It’s all cool though, shares vested for execs at much higher prices so they’re all good. |
Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
(Post 10021959)
It’s a disgrace really, and pretty obvious to anyone with any knowledge of airline ops. Pilots have been saying it for years. Big twins would have made such a difference to this outfit.
Two things to take away from this. No other airline across the Pacific is at greater risk from rising fuel prices and no other airline is at a greater risk from a price on carbon. These are significant risks that should be priced into the share price. It’s all cool though, shares vested for execs at much higher prices so they’re all good. |
Qantas 'worst major airline' for fuel efficiency on trans-Pacific flights, study suggests - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) |
It ranked Qantas the worst in 2016, finding it burned on average 64 per cent more fuel per passenger-kilometre than the top ranked airlines, China-based Hainan and Japan's ANA. I would not agree with the quantum of difference , but the fact is that the difference is still stark, there is no way that having an inefficient fleet, fuel wise, can be turned into an efficient fleet, short of having the efficient aeroplanes. If Qantas had had an efficient fleet during recent years, it would NOT have made the losses it did on international operations. As I also said, in my opinion, the investment freeze that resulted in the present fleet went back to the preparations to take the company private and strip it. The international operation has never been as bad a business as "management" has made it out to be, one of the few aviation or financial journalists who ever called it for what it was, as opposed to re-publishing the PR spin, was the late Ben Sandilands. Tootle pip!! |
The international operation has never been as bad a business as "management" has made it out to be, one of the few aviation or financial journalists who ever called it for what it was, as opposed to re-publishing the PR spin, was the late Ben Sandilands. How else would the public accept their grand plan (of JQ to the world) unless Qantas international was 'Terminal' Yes he did. A few others too... What is left as the tide goes out?
Qantas 'group' went no where... They poured resources into Asia and JQ ventures for what? If you look at the JQ contribution they fly a lot of ASK for small RPK...Certainly cannot generate anything like Qantas margin, at least until these geniuses assumed 'management 'and took a spread sheet view of aviation with more consultants driving these projects than ever in its history! |
And to keep themselves looking good with their snouts in the trough you can bet they have hedged a lot of fuel for the next 5 years at the very low prices that were prevailing the last two years. Rather than a kangaroo on the tail a pig with its snout in a trough full of $$$ would be more appropriate!!!!
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Qantas used to run 763 domestically.
Real genius that |
I loved one of the comments at the end of that article from someone name "SomeGuy"
Running engines lean increases the wear on engine components, increasing the chance of engine failures. Also, more reserve fuel means more weight thus hight fuel consumption. I consider myself a environmentalist, but I have no problem flying Qantas. |
I don't consider this compares like with like. You expect premium airlines to have First, Business and Premium Economy so how can you compare that with an all economy flight that cancels half the year because the loads aren't enough and doesn't offer the freight options.
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and ETOPS considerations for routing and the costs and restrictions for the longer routings ? Very simplistic !
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Errr all the Airlines mentioned in the article are full service airlines. There’s no budget carriers in the study from what I can see.
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morno,
A lot of the higher rated ones don't have premium cabins and this becomes more obvious if you look at the transatlantic survey and not just the Pacific one. |
Perhaps, but from the article;
20 major airlines conducting trans-Pacific flights. And the one's listed are all premium airlines. |
Originally Posted by Rated De
(Post 10022082)
The international business was accounted to look bad. In 2011 3 weeks before the lockout they applied to amend all European bilaterals, other than two slots a day to London they wanted the ability to operate them with a JQ tail...
How else would the public accept their grand plan (of JQ to the world) unless Qantas international was 'Terminal' Yes he did. A few others too... What is left as the tide goes out?
Qantas 'group' went no where... They poured resources into Asia and JQ ventures for what? If you look at the JQ contribution they fly a lot of ASK for small RPK...Certainly cannot generate anything like Qantas margin, at least until these geniuses assumed 'management 'and took a spread sheet view of aviation with more consultants driving these projects than ever in its history! |
Don’t tell the Qantas boys that, they’ll find some way to talk it down and make it seem like Qantas paid for everything to get that profit. ;)
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Don’t tell the Qantas boys that, they’ll find some way to talk it down and make it seem like Qantas paid for everything to get that profit On another note, I bet Jetstar can’t wait to get their hands on something as good as Qantas’ new Gamechangers! If I were a JQ driver I’d be pink with envy at Qf’s (two) tiny, shiny jets! Just that display of hypocrisy from management guarantees few will trust what they say. Especially with no hard evidence. PS: Pink with envy - political pun intended. |
QF has an atrocious fleet but has spent the money that could have solved most (if not all) of its’ issues on JQ. JQ sells tickets far, far cheaper than QF, it’s a legitimate question to ask (among many others). So where are the answers? Phrases like ‘commercial, in confidence’ have been handed out like confetti. People asking genuine questions are not stupid, but the answers are frankly insulting. No one is disputing JQs existence. There is a market segment for it. However under nearly every metric, its performance is less than its parent, allowing for management allocation of cost away from JQ. This is permitted, but was never intended to 'distort' in a way to support an industrial narrative. The JQ 'segment' is NEVER going to be De aggregated. Qantas management would never do that, I leave it to the reader to ask why not? Qantas is 'split' into two segments (both domestic and international) JQ is not and this ensures that no accurate assessment can be made. Qantas was split in 2012, you know when the Qantas international, today transformed, was then terminal. Given the management discretion allowed with how costs are allocated between those segments means that distortion of 'performance' is easily 'manufactured'. |
Originally Posted by morno
(Post 10022858)
Don’t tell the Qantas boys that, they’ll find some way to talk it down and make it seem like Qantas paid for everything to get that profit. ;)
Your Qantas Pilot bashing getting very boring now Morno :rolleyes: |
Morno,
I don't know what you define as a Premium Airline. For me it includes 1st Class and a Business class with individual beds, not beds that mean you have to climb over the next seat to go to the WC. Compare like with like please. |
Looks like the 787 Dreamliner will be relegated to just two flights a week Mel-Lax with the rest of to SFO.
A380 to service remainder of MEL-LAX service That’s transforming. |
Originally Posted by griffin one
(Post 10024128)
Looks like the 787 Dreamliner will be relegated to just two flights a week Mel-Lax with the rest of to SFO.
A380 to service remainder of MEL-LAX service That’s transforming. |
Originally Posted by Transition Layer
(Post 10024720)
They should just bite the bullet and send the 787 MEL-SFO daily. Makes much more sense to fly a route with zero (direct) competition where you can charge a premium. And besides, no one really likes going to LAX!
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As was sent to me.
Interesting spin. Media are reporting on our ranking....We rank low in this study of airline efficiency and carbon emissions when flying across the Pacific. We rank low in this study because we use larger aircraft, fly very long distances and have premium cabins that naturally have fewer people on board...
This was all done with:
This report suggests rather subtly, that Qantas is neither efficient nor transformed. With a grand total of 8 787 and your management signing up to the IATA fuel efficiency targets of: (1) a 1.5% average annual improvement in fuel efficiency from 2009 to 2020; (2) carbon-neutral growth from 2020 and (3) a 50% absolute reduction in carbon emissions by 2050. |
Rated De,
I get it, Qantas senior management suck. I work there and yep we’ve been through a really ****ty decade but some of your oft-repeated statements are about as accurate as the ITN emails we receive. You have made the comment many times in numerous different threads that the turnaround is a sham as we still have; “ The same contracts and the same staff But this is clearly not true. Qantas cut approximately 5000 staff. You see it everywhere. There is no one to answer your call or email in nearly every department we deal with. There is no one to drive the aerobridge, there are less flight attendants on the flight, there is no one in crewing to fix your rostering problem, etc, etc. And the contracts are clearly different. Long haul has had a major change in the 787 section and both LH and SH have accepted/endured pay freezes. But more broadly, nearly every employee has had a pay freeze forced upon them. Many of our colleagues have been forced onto lesser contracts to do the same role. Think of the cabin crew, QCCA staff or the QD contract. The baggage handlers are increasing employed on a lesser contract by ‘Qantas Ground Services’ as opposed to the previous Qantas contract. I’m sure there are many more examples. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not in favour of ANY of this. It’s just the sad reality of the company we work for. But you can’t keep repeating a line as an attack on the company if it is evidently false. There is plenty to attack them over without making stuff up. |
There is plenty to attack them over without making stuff up. To save you actually looking; Staff costs in nominal AUD FTE Staff 2014 $3.77 billion 30,751 2015 $3.60 billion 28,622 2016 $3.86 billion 29,204 2017 $4.03 billion 29,596 But you can’t keep repeating a line as an attack on the company if it is evidently false.
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Originally Posted by Rated De
(Post 10026426)
The 5,000 FTE reduction was off the 2013 baseline of 33,265 FTEs, wasn't it? So there's a reduction of 3,669 FTEs in absolute terms to 2017. And then there's the fact that the 5,000 target was never a straight up reduction in absolute terms; I'm pretty sure that it was always couched as a net reduction after adjusting for activity and new businesses. I'm not sure how they looked to measure activity but passenger numbers aren't a bad surrogate. Passengers numbers between 2013 and 2017 grew by around 11 per cent so "after adjusting for activity" there's the equivalent of something like an additional 3,000 FTEs. So there's your 5,000+ net reduction in FTEs after adjusting for activity and new businesses right there. |
The real risk to the 'transformed' Qantas lay in the genesis of its so called recovery.
Fuel price falls were $597 million of the turnaround profit, the depreciation change from CGU impairment another $326 million. They were the only substantive changes in expenditure. With Fuel prices having bottomed in 1QCY16, Qantas with its fleet languishing at a substantially higher fuel included CASK than competitors runs a very real downside risk that its so called 'transformation' vanishes. http://www.iata.org/publications/eco...nts/ChartB.png |
Originally Posted by 27/09
(Post 10022125)
I loved one of the comments at the end of that article from someone name "SomeGuy"
Sounds like he knows what he's on about. He would do well as an airline CEO. |
Apparently fitted on the new Boeing 737 LENO. Automatically adjusts the airflow as well to maintain best mixture when you reduce the fuel flow.
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I expect that I'm the cause of the poor fuel efficiency rating. It's that 2.5 tonnes that I keep on loading...
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Originally Posted by On eyre
(Post 10027261)
Apparently fitted on the new Boeing 737 LENO. Automatically adjusts the airflow as well to maintain best mixture when you reduce the fuel flow.
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Originally Posted by Pearly White
(Post 10027311)
Hasn't FADEC been doing that for ages?
Heh. |
Management should not be blamed for Coriolis and aero elasticity.
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Hahaha they seem to miss the point that content happy pilots use less fuel because they can.
Pissed off disgruntle pilots use more fuel because they can. It aint rocket science I wonder if the overpaid lepricorn knows that ? |
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