First of the Qantas branded A320s
 

Two Jetstar A320 going to Qantas via Qantaslink soon. Will first head to perth for a start with Network. Rumor is they will slowly make their way into the system. Qantaslink could easily operate A320s for QF at far less cost than 737s :(

Of course they will..

This year's stalking horse?
Of course certified agreements will be up for negotiation!

So wash rinse and repeat!

Of course all this IR dribble needs unlimited supply of pilots...

And that paradigm has changed.

Offer TP pilots a shiny new jet, of course they'll do it for less than the incumbents. That lesson unfortunately needs to be re-learnt every few years.

Ironically, it has a negative effect on the pilot supply problem the lower end operators have (but that they won't acknowledge they have).

Network are struggling to get crew as it is. I’m not sure an A320 on similarly crap $$$ is going to fix that issue.

Shiny new Jets? VH-JQL/X?

These two $hitboxes will certainly not be missed. Enjoy the daily breakdowns folks.

The FRV will also become the ARV! :)

Open recruitment up to the world and see how limited your supply of pilots is then....
No coincidence that 457 Visas are back.

If any australian jet airline can't find crew, they'll just cry poor to the government and open recruitment up to the world. They will be innundated with type rated experienced applications.

If only it WAS those sh!tboxes :(

Of course it is no coincidence! The airlines know supply is limited, even in Australia. The RAAF has experienced two years where applications for aircrew ran at less than 40% of historical norms. Whether that is a result of crappy foreign policy or supply is a mute point! :ok:

However,

• How many JQ NZ applications?
• How many Jetconnect applications?
• How many applications do Network actually get?
• How is Qantaslink going application wise?
• How about Rex?
• What about the top end GA operators?
• How about the RFDS?

It pays to have connections involved in recruiting both inside and outside Australia. In almost all of the examples I cite, there are but a handful of applications meeting the criteria as it is.



Whilst I accept that you may well be fiercely patriotic and suffered the last thirty years in unlimited supply, I did too, but with global supply being limited, the result to clear the market will be an increase in terms and conditions.


I certainly accept Neville, that the unions were asleep at the wheel with the 457 issue. If they claim they have a lobby presence in Canberra, then they are speaking to the wrong people, but the reality is that outside Australia the shortage is real, it is structural. Airlines outside Australia have recognised securing supply is very important, but other than weasel words form airline management I would expect an accelerated Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt campaign.


As CNN reported in July

A red tail, 160 odd seater being operated by a QF subsidiary, move along nothing to see here:eek:
How's AIPA going with the ghost Seniority numbers? Oops, no Seniority in Notwork, so I guess that's out of the question
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My bet is no QF 737 base in Perth within 5 years, any takers?

If you want Sh!tboxes then give them VWY and Z. Should have been coke cans years ago.

You’re on. Name the amount, I’ll take it. Do you have any idea how much it would cost to close the base?

No idea, but a lot less than it cost to ground the airline for 3 days. This lot will go to any lengths to further their industrial agenda.

Tiny, do you have any idea how much cheaper the A320, under Network, will be to operate? Let's start with close to 200k per year, per crew. On reflection, they may not close the base, but I don't think they'll be doing any WA flying

I wouldn’t be too worried. Those old J birds can’t even fly RNP. Not to mention the weather radar is particularly unhelpful during the day. They will never be able to justify putting new jets in network to fly intra WA routes and FIFO. It’ll be a retirement stopover for older depreciated jets that have plenty of life left in them, but are not as reliable anymore with the high utilisation demands of a major RPT operator.

Typical that the Js will go after just being repainted too :)

I’d be more worried if I were a particular contractor. I’d be swagging it outside the HR donga waiting for an interview at network. If that’s your thing.

It’s obvious network will get more than 2 bigger birds. However they’ll be doing what the fokkers are doing now. Providing growth for clients with a more capable jet.

My take is you won’t see any JQs flying to this side of the country! (Aside from the Bali flights perhaps:}) T4 has fewer scheduled services than NTL!

Geez you’re all a paranoid bunch aren’t you. No one is stealing your jobs. The last impression I got was they wanted to improve QF, not make it worse.

And don’t start with “but JQ stole our jobs”, there was a hole in the market and Qantas filled it with JQ quite successfully.

morno

Amen brother.

I think a lot of people are being a bit paranoid but it’s the potential that is the worrying part. But I can guarantee this will be a complete farce, it won’t work and with the current crew shortage it will fail even worse. Myself I’ll have the popcorn at the ready to view a cobham 717 disaster version 2 take place!

So what’s the plan. Replace the F100 with A320? Or keep the F100 as well.

It’s never really made sense to have 717 and F100.

And someone must have seen the money being offered to do the gig