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growahead 11th Nov 2017 23:45

Hobart's noisy STARS
 
Airservices Australia admits it did not 'consult sufficiently' over new Tasmanian flight paths - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Evandale seems to cope pretty well. Traffic on final is much lower, overflying fairly close laterally, and around 1200 ft.

LeadSled 12th Nov 2017 00:18

Folks,
Of course, most of us know that what is fitted to virtually every HCRPT aircraft in Australia facilitates multiple flightpaths to spread the noise, but as we have seen before, Airservices organises to suit Airservices, with little regard to alternatives to minimise "collateral damage".
The proposed CTA for Sydney West is another example of planned collateral damage to GA, that need not be.
Tootle pip!!

PLovett 12th Nov 2017 00:39

Garbage complaint. Even before the STAR, the approach path used at night to 30 took them close to where this bunch of wingers are. I was living at Primrose Sands for 5 months earlier this year and the 30 VOR approach used to go over the top. You could barely hear them. Just another example of the great Tasmanian whinge; they want the air service but not the cost.

Stationair8 12th Nov 2017 00:47

Bet the same whinging tree huggers, stalk the Jetstar/ Tiger website looking for cheap airfares to escape paradise!

Buckshot 12th Nov 2017 02:02

https://www.airservicesaustralia.com...p/s17-h102.PDF

AerocatS2A 12th Nov 2017 07:34

They are concerned that aircraft noise will reduce tourism :ugh:. I'm pretty sure the tourists are arriving on those noisy jets.

Eastwest Loco 12th Nov 2017 08:55

More green inspired hand in underwear in rapid motion crap. It's the old story. But cheaper near an airport and then whine once aeroplanes actually fly over you.

Unfortunately there are federal and State cross bench MPs who will be only too happy to run with this and similar despite being in Parliament with 2.65% of the vote plus a reference from a Border Collie called Ralph.

Best all

EWL

Checklist Charlie 12th Nov 2017 09:19

Whilst I sympathize with people that experienced the wrath of a bushfire albeit 5 years ago, I fail to see what that has to do with aviation or airport approach paths..

CC

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 13th Nov 2017 06:04

Do jets fly to Tasmania?

junior.VH-LFA 13th Nov 2017 06:24


Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was (Post 9955433)
Do jets fly to Tasmania?

Yes, quite a few A320/737 and 717's were there when I was operating there last week.

Capn Bloggs 13th Nov 2017 06:32


Do jets fly to Tasmania?
Nasty nasty nasty! :{

mgahan 13th Nov 2017 20:57

From the commissioners report into Sydney PRM approaches from the north
 
"It seems people perceive aircraft noise through their eyes and not their ears."
Dr Don McMichael
Commissioner


MJG
(Aviation Advisor to the Commissioner)

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 14th Nov 2017 09:54


Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA (Post 9955451)
Yes, quite a few A320/737 and 717's were there when I was operating there last week.

...Whoosh!

neville_nobody 16th Nov 2017 05:25


Really? Australia is the flattest continent on the planet. There are a few hills around the place
True but we seem to have a knack of finding one and building an airport next to it. There are at least 6 city airports in Australia which have hills either in the circling area or on approach.

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 16th Nov 2017 08:56

Why would you waste all the flat land on an airport?

LeadSled 16th Nov 2017 13:32


"It seems people perceive aircraft noise through their eyes and not their ears."
Dr Don McMichael
Commissioner
Well, folks, not only "people".

Some time ago, when the consideration was minor airspace changes in the Sydney area, the Airservices Environmental Impact Statement, EIS, rejected the changes (a minor realignment of the southern boundary of Richmond zone to make life just a little bit easier for GA) ) on the ground of environment degradation, the degradation being the sight of an aircraft where aircraft were not normally seen, even if the aircraft could not be heard.

I kid you not.

Even sillier, in terms of environmental noise, for background noise, it is one of the nosiest parts of Sydney, with heavy rail, freeway, highway and lots of heavy industry, motor sports park. The EIS formally assessed additional aircraft noise was nil. The boundary remains unchanged.

Tootle Pip!!

growahead 22nd Nov 2017 10:29

Update.The natives are restless;

Angry residents weigh up options as new Hobart flight path stays put for now - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Buckshot 6th Jan 2018 00:45

I wonder if operators at HB have perhaps considered chipping in for a push back tug? This would mean they could get rid of the power-out bays and make more space available on the apron. Possibly cheaper than having aircraft sit on taxiways for 30+ mins chewing fuel waiting for a bay (as happened this morning) or the cost of fixing damage to clipped winglets after trying to power-out on the size of a postage stamp.

Switchbait 6th Jan 2018 04:26

Pure gold!🍻🍻

Originally Posted by illusion (Post 9957327)
Most pilots and cabin crew would be delighted to not have Hobart or Launy on their roster. Crap weather, terrain issues, dumb arse pax and poor airport facilities. Push the joint further south and gift it to the penguins.


five dogs 9th Jan 2018 06:05


Originally Posted by Buckshot (Post 10011865)
I wonder if operators at HB have perhaps considered chipping in for a push back tug? This would mean they could get rid of the power-out bays and make more space available on the apron. Possibly cheaper than having aircraft sit on taxiways for 30+ mins chewing fuel waiting for a bay (as happened this morning) or the cost of fixing damage to clipped winglets after trying to power-out on the size of a postage stamp.

They have as it happens Buckshot. Pushback tugs would provide 3 extra bays.

The price however, courtesy of the Regulator, is to dig up the entire apron and rebuild it to modern day standards - mega millions $$$$. As opposed to the grandfather rights they operate under now, which date back to when the place was built.

Or so says the Hobart Refueller.


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