A380 loses MEL/DXB/LHR
 

Now that the A380 has been removed off MEL-DXB-LHR, wonder how many A380s that releases to do daily SYD/DFW and it looks like seasonal only SYD or MEL to HKG/SIN according to Joyce.
Wonder what becomes of the MEL base?
Might free up some A330s to do something.

How about the A380 does MEL-SIN-LHR return and see how many punters fly MEL-PER-LHR 789
Guess if your not on the New 789 out of MEL it's Emirates for you.

Melbourne base will remain, with an additional 4 Captains and F/O's soon to move to join those already there.

At the moment a significant amount of the Melbourne flying is still crewed from Sydney, including MEL-LAX-MEL.

No more LHR…..that sucks.
No more Dubes…….you bloody beauty!!

Back to HKG….tick
Back to Fatty's….tick.

With the redeployment of the A380 to Asia, will we see a mass exodus off the A380 as the senior crew realise the overtime is going.

Taking the cream off the top for too long boys. Time to work for your money.

Mass exodus? Onto what?

Be nice if we could have a "spare" A380 to cover the increasing amount of unserviceability.

A 767 sized aircraft with no night protections (night credit) flying all night, with 9 abreast in economy at 31' pitch...:E



So said, Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.


Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.


Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me

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How do night credits protect you? And from what? The 787 has a much higher hourly rate, I'm not saying it's better or worse, it's not black and white.
What has 9 abreast, 31' in economy got to do with pilots?

Captains on the A380 won't be able to bid back to the 787....
It was always Red Q's plan to put the A380 on Asian routes. The aircraft will fly where it should have years ago, flying a high volume of pax over 7 to 9 hours, saving the cost of carriage in fuel and crew savings thru minimal overtime payments.

Sandy

In a nutshell, my point a little obtuse, was that night credit protect the pilots from rosters of all night flying by loading the flying so that not as much could be fitted (flying wise) on a roster. There is a bunch of medical evidence about circadian disturbance and the effects of time zone changes and in addition flying at night.

The 787 contract may well have a higher hourly rate but with little overtime and no night credits I suspect the pilots will be very very tired, for not much upside, it depends on one's priority.

The point on the aircraft selection is that the route may be technically feasible, but the aircraft is an interesting selection. The seat pitch in Y class will be as Ben Sandlinands quite rightly picked up, the same as a 737 plus an inch..That is extremely tight for 18 hours..
From sources well placed, the EK alliance has little commercial upside for Qantas (Hence no financial disclosure of the benefit to QF shareholders) , is very restrictive and perhaps until the little fellow and Dorothy are shown the exit, the alliance remains something the ever diminishing Qantas network will have to contend with.

787 flying looks quite frankly vile. As in really, really unpleasant after probably just a few months. I know tech crew pay isn't relatively important, but you can almost see the saliva dripping from Joyce's repaired fangs as he salivates over removing all overtime and night credits from the operation. On paper, flying as an F/A or pilot looks cushy. The reality is so far from the appearance as to be not funny. I haven't heard how the cabin crew will deal with this, the rest etc, I'm sure it won't be in any way fun at ALL. Anyone operating that as even semi protected Technical Attendants will, after a very short time curse those mysterious crew that voted to kill night credits. You can't get your life back once you are seriously ill or dead - and there ARE illnesses that are worse than death.....

What I don't particularly like is that the divisor can still be 180 hours only this time it's stick hours not credited hours. Add in Perth basing and time zone closer to Europe with fatigue management system I think you will find that 900'hours per annum will very quickly become 1000.

No first class. 17hr sector.
Crew rest area ?????
31" pitch dvt special.
Only positive the big bus back to Asia,Maybe even HND or NRT once the RR-400 disappear

If the flying's that bad on the 787 (or 777-x) sick leave will go up accordingly. With no ADP there will be no incentive to go work if crew feel like they need a break, unlike now. If crew are starting to feel fatigued, I reckon they will be far more willing to fix it by judicious use of personal leave. What doctor won't provide a sick certificate for several days if a pilot says they're overtired? It's up to the individual to determine if they're fit to fly and the new contract provides little incentive, other than allowances, to actually go to work.

B789 Lhr-Per
 

Quite a tight sector fuel wise. Presumably Perth airport is Cat IIIC equipped to match the aircraft capability on arrival?

Very good advice on that note from a guy I flew with recently:

'Doc, I'm fxxked. Look at my roster. This is where my body is.. I can't safely go to XXX tomorrow'.

The problem is, guys go the extra mile and especially in your '20's you start to get used to it. Then you (well I did) see a 5 year retired but very well regarded 40 year management and exceptional training Captain (Ian T) in WSSS in transit on his way to LHR for a family wedding in tears because he got confused with gate numbers and missed his connecting (same flight number) flight. He was so apologetic and explained at great length to all of us he made a mistake because he had crossed the departure times off on his list from the bottom up instead of the top down when he landed.

And that is one story from the group of guys who first started flying SYD-LHR on jets. I know of numerous others of the same vintage with exactly the same problems. Their age? 60ish...

Yes, that would be interesting. Not going to happen though. You've now got under half the seats from MEL-LHR.

"It's a success, it's always full"

Given the arrival times Perth won't be as big an issue as arriving at 0510 in London with the statutory U.K. reserves plus a bit for holding at Lambourne. Get there an hour late after 0600 and that could multiply significantly for a sector that will be tight on a good day.

236 punters …….maybe not.

With the influence of HR of course. 'A person in your position should give some thought to the professionalism you are showing. I can see you have your promotional training coming up....'

HR is bad now. I have direct experience of it (in the past it would never have been, so I cannot accept it was Flt Ops) encouraging illegal operations. I can only surmise what might occur in the future.

I shouldn't go on about this, but I am confident enough to say that the very people HR are seeking out (compliant yes-men) are the very ones our predecessors worked very hard to keep out.

There is zero chance of MEL/SIN/LHR or SYD/SIN/LHR. Joyce nuked that years ago.
Option 1 would hinder the "gamechanging" 787 MEL/PER/LHR route and option 2 would destroy the QF1 SYD/DXB/LHR.
Emirates must be happy as I can see many premium Melbourne pax ditching QF to London and switching to Emirates or one of the other ME3 or Cathay/Singair. Qantas believe they are right. The passengers will ultimately decide regardless of the spin doctors.
Mach Tuck Most pilots are too stupid to understand the pay loss with a higher hourly rate but losing all overtime and flying 33% more without the night credits. Most too spineless to ever go fatigued. Someone will always take the $$$ on an RDO and save the day anyway. The loss of overtime and night credits will still save QF more money than What they lose in Sick leave.
AIPAs proposed EA 787 flying program now looks like a highly inaccurate TAF.
So did they know all along?