Christ there is some **** talked on this thread.:hmm:

Christ there is some **** talked on Pprune.

I fixed it for you.


PS Imagine if only actual professional pilots could comment on here. On second thoughts it would be just the same. I am amazed every day in the flight deck what people will believe.

And the people who are sitting next to you are thinking exactly the same thing. :}

Unlikely, if I cannot see it with my own eyes I never believe it. There is a saying passed down from the previous generation...it's real when you can walk into the hangar and pee on the tyres...in regard to new types being introduced.

Now stop presuming to know what I say or think and get back to flight sim.

Wow hubris and hypocrisy all in the one post and the cherry on top is a presumption of monumental proportions. Well done.

B772,

I reckon a standard A320 could carry a 90% load on a 6 hour flight and still land with 3 to 4 tonne (just about enough for a tempo). Better yet in the Sharklet variety. Better again with the higher gross weight option. The need to carry tempo in winter would be diminished, but probably would be compensated for by a need for longer sector fuel due stronger headwinds, so nil practical difference.

Sure, it wouldn't be quite a full load, but it'd be pretty close.

With the optional auxilliary fuel tank (bringing the fuel capacity to almost exactly that of the B738) it would be a no-brainer.

And TT are not doing SYD or BNE to DPS. JQ already to ADL and PER in the A320, so those sectors are no issue.

Not sure where you get those numbers from, but I'd say they're optimistic. Never seen any 'aux' tanks for a 320, but not sure it would help anyway due weight issues.

Couple of facts:

77t MTOW
18.7t (max fuel)
58.3t left over....
45t operating empty weight.
13.3t left over for whatever you want to fill it with.....
No idea what TT standard pax weight is but 82 seems to be the going rate with 14 kg bag per pax.
Me thinks around 139 seats on a 180 seat aircraft. 77% capacity

Fuel. 18.7 max
-1.3 fixed
-1.0 variable
16.4 left.
Burn 2.4t per/hour(absolute BEST case) = 6.8hrs range in nil wind
A bit 'toit' with any holding in Bali or wx north of AS!
So on paper it's doable, but not really set up for this run in seat numbers or fuel capacity.

Not sure the sharklets do 4/5th's of F$&k all for any fuel savings, but they do look keeeewl.

The A320 ops to DPS are short term only (perhaps 1-2 months), until Tiger has approval for the B737. Tiger's first B737 to be added to their AOC has been undergoing crew training this week and once they have the B737 on the AOC another 2-3 will be transferred rather quickly from Virgin to Tiger.

So although the A320 is not the ideal option and may require capping the pax or a tech stop in Darwin, it gets them back in the market. The bogans that fly to DPS will forget the last few weeks once Tiger offers a sale to DPS when the A320 starts.

So the burning question, was there ever any intention to put the 737 on the tiger aoc or has this just forced their hand?

Maybe the whole ASX announcement 6 months ago saying they were replacing all a320s with 737s was a bit of a hint?

I worded that poorly. I meant was there any intention to put the existing 737's on the Tiger aoc until the replacement started? The announcement was 6 months ago, haven't seen a replacement a/c yet, hence the original question had this just forced their hand?

Simple reason behind the lack of replacements is because they are behind schedule.

It was meant to happen 2 months ago but got delayed further. Domestic 737 was due to start late November.

Tiger will have a net increase in aircraft once all A320s have been replaced, +3 Bali Machines.

Looks like they are fighting to get 737 Domestic up and going before the A320s go to Bali otherwise it's going to screw the Domestic schedule.

My reading of the situation is not looking rosy for Tiger. I believe the costs will have a serious impact on the Virgin financial position. Expect an ASX announcement soon.

Hopefully announcing a new CEO.

I heard a story that this may well be the case Bullwinkle! The current one has been missing in action for a little while.

... for VA

That's what I meant! :ok:

From Australian Aviation

Etihad?s James Hogan to depart in second half of 2017 | Australian Aviation

Maybe they'll both go to Woolworths...........As trolley boys!

If you read that article again you would notice that James Hogan already has another job. He is going to much higher levels of executive management rather than taking a step backwards to run a small Australian airline.

Masters. Or, retire as a multimillionaire.

Happy days.

always more than meets the eye

Still grounded.

No flights to Bali AGAIN.

You could not make this stuff up...

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/34330137...i-again/#page1

Tiger cancels flights to Bali again

Perhaps it is time for the trade regulator to look into whether the airline is breaching trade laws by selling a service that is not available.

Breaking news here on the radio...Tiger is pulling out of Bali permanently.

Yep. What's next....Tiger to keep operating the A320....

Jb said publicly last year that every CEO needed a scapegoat, and that Rob Sharp was it. To his face JB said RS had to make Bali work.

Can you back those up with quotes somewhere Falling Leaf?

Icarus,
Every airline sells tickets to destinations they're not approved to fly to. Ever noticed the small print when a new destination is announced? "Subject to regulatory approval"?

No different at all.

morno

Extraordinary that Indonesia, with its exemplary safety record, does not recognise an AOC issued by CASA.

Well of course you are entitled to an opinion but I disagree.

When I was Chief Pilot of a charter operation I asked the FOI from CASA if I could advertise a particular service before the approval (for this particular operation) was received from head office. He said no. When I used your "subject to regulatory approval" line as seen occasionally. He said no that was not legal either but they did not have the time (or inclination) to fight the big operations but if I tried it we would be in a world of pain.

Secondly, when setting up a new operation maybe this is valid, from a CASA point of view. In this case the company has been caught out not complying (apparently).
Forget CASA compliance, I am talking about CONSUMER protection, Fair Trading ACCC etc. Selling tickets for a service where no reasonable expection could be made of the service being provided.

In my humble opinion there is a case to be made.

There is no money in that!

I think you're clutching at straws there Icarus.

And Tiger sold tickets on the basis that they were going to have the necessary approvals by recommencement date. So you'd be hard pushed to try and say they were selling tickets knowing that there was no chance they were going to be able to operate the service.

I feel sorry for all the people who have worked their asses off trying to get this thing up and running in such a short period of time. With nothing said by casa on the Australian end, you can only assume that there was no problem as far as they were concerned, just the Indonesians playing games.

morno

I agree. CASA has said nothing, probably all good there (this time).

Why do you assume it is the Indonesians "playing games", do you have information or just your cultural bias against "foreigners"?

Is it possible Tiger were "playing games"?

Tiger have not been selling tickets since the initial grounding last month

They were removed from sale immediately

Simply an observation Icarus. Why was what Tiger were doing considered acceptable until recently and then given the go ahead to resume services only to have the carpet pulled out at the last minute?

You can't tell me the Indonesians weren't aware of what was happening.

And no cultural bias at all. It could be the Kiwis doing this and I'd still refer to it in the same way.

Unfortunately, you need to look a little more "inwardly" for the real culprits.

How do you know they were not "on a warning" from DGCA? To fix the issue. You know just like they were told multiple times by CASA to fix issues, they failed to do that and were grounded as a result. I know that was under the UK wunderkind who was dumped but perhaps there is a poor culture remaining? Who knows?

I know that blaming DGCA is very easy.