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Al E. Vator 2nd Jun 2018 03:12

....and another easily negotiated item. Don't pay for endorsements.
Bonding sure (employers needs to protect themselves from a rapid turnover of pilots) but no need to pay upfront for endorsements.

Slippery_Pete 2nd Jun 2018 03:25


....and another easily negotiated item. Don't pay for endorsements.
Pilots have always had this option.

Those who have been burned with the latest JETGO fiasco deserve everything they get.

Pilot funded endorsements should never be an industrial bargaining issue for unions. Those who chose to do this degraded the industry for everyone of their own volition and selfishness. Has nothing to do with EBA negotiations.

megan 2nd Jun 2018 03:33


So the Qantas CEO makes 30 million dollars and is the highest paid CEO in the Country
Probably true, but AJ is the highest paid airline executive in the WORLD. Question is, is he worth it? :suspect:

Capn Bloggs 2nd Jun 2018 03:49


Originally Posted by Slippery Pete
Pilot funded endorsements should never be an industrial bargaining issue for unions. Those who chose to do this degraded the industry for everyone of their own volition and selfishness.

So Pete, your son has only one option for a decent flying job to advance his career, a job where he has to pay for the endorsement. What do you advise him?

Rated De 2nd Jun 2018 04:26


Originally Posted by megan (Post 10162949)
Probably true, but AJ is the highest paid airline executive in the WORLD. Question is, is he worth it? :suspect:

He is certainly the highest remunerated in the Asia Pacific region.
His performance is well below his peers.
  • In a decade Qantas Group revenues have fallen 5% in real terms.
  • Margin growth is not structural change. Majority accounting derived change.
  • Fuel price decline the major contributor to margin improvement.
  • Share buy back improving key metrics like EPS.
Oh and they got a few aircraft, originally ordered by the Dame and Geoff in FY0506..

gordonfvckingramsay 2nd Jun 2018 04:54


Originally Posted by Rated De (Post 10162970)
He is certainly the highest remunerated in the Asia Pacific region.
His performance is well below his peers.
  • In a decade Qantas Group revenues have fallen 5% in real terms.
  • Margin growth is not structural change. Majority accounting derived change.
  • Fuel price decline the major contributor to margin improvement.
  • Share buy back improving key metrics like EPS.
Oh and they got a few aircraft, originally ordered by the Dame and Geoff in FY0506..

You forgot to mention outsourcing of most of the airline peripheral services and most of it's regional flying to non QANTAS group companies, sometimes below what it would really cost to maintain. Some of those contractors are skimping on EBA provisions, wonder why that would be. Also EOD and the exponential rise in deferred defects being carried on many red tailed aircraft that didn't happen once.

Anyone who thinks that is a good way to run a business is clearly in on the scam. She's gutted sadly!!

QuarterInchSocket 2nd Jun 2018 05:11

IR is where he’s made his impact. Pitting company against subsidiary, subsidiary against subsidiary to yield desired effect. The good running of Qantas as a single entity is clearly not his sole focus, thus we have the illustrious Qantas Group - comprising of a number of subsidiaries able to be cut/disbanded, practically free of what he’d consider suffocating IR issues. For this I think he is remunerated albeit, disproportionately and not commensurate.

Rated De 2nd Jun 2018 05:22


Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay (Post 10162981)
You forgot to mention outsourcing of most of the airline peripheral services and most of it's regional flying to non QANTAS group companies, sometimes below what it would really cost to maintain. Some of those contractors are skimping on EBA provisions, wonder why that would be. Also EOD and the exponential rise in deferred defects being carried on many red tailed aircraft that didn't happen once.

Anyone who thinks that is a good way to run a business is clearly in on the scam. She's gutted sadly!!

Airline fundamentals are fundamental for a reason: They ensure longevity. A big component of CEO responsibility enshrined in statute necessitates foresight to remove strategic risk, thereby protecting the funds on whose behalf you act; the shareholder.


IR is where he’s made his impact. Pitting company against subsidiary, subsidiary against subsidiary to yield desired effect. The good running of Qantas as a single entity is clearly not his sole focus, thus we have the illustrious Qantas Group - comprising of a number of subsidiaries able to be cut/disbanded, practically free of what he’d consider suffocating IR issues. For this I think he is remunerated albeit, disproportionately and not commensurate. He is like that fart you dropped in an elevator, rank and tends to linger.
That is a valid observation.


When one takes a step back and looks at Qantas it has failed this responsibility by deferring fleet decisions and heavily focusing on labour unit cost reductions (IR/HR) It has also failed to anticipate, prepare for and execute a strategy to counter the obvious industry wide pilot shortage. It either willfully ignored or lacks the institutional foresight to see a clear strategic risk to the business: A lack of qualified and appropriate pilots. This strategic failure is axiomatic. That failure is his.

Whether Mr Joyce has any self reflection is a matter for himself. He however had a real opportunity to steer Qantas in a different direction, A aviation light board, with a industrial head kicker and aviation light weight as the Chair, perhaps Mr Joyce grabbed his opportunity and embraced a way of running a company better suited to rocks and mining, than people and dynamic risk. For a man so preoccupied with inclusion and acceptance, Qantas is a poor model. Sadly, he has little to show, personal fortune aside.

Ask anyone at Southwest about Herb Kelleher and their feelings are almost universal: His respect for people, his responsibility for their well being is reciprocal, each employee values the company as if it is their own.

Ironically for companies like Qantas, hell bent on division, fear and anxiety driven compliance, this adversarial approach costs far more than genuine concern for the people that make the company.
Mr Joyce would not venture far from Coward street (pun intended) without a security detail. That for him is a sad testament to a decade (almost) 'running' the company

gordonfvckingramsay 2nd Jun 2018 07:56


Airline fundamentals are fundamental for a reason: They ensure longevity. A big component of CEO responsibility enshrined in statute necessitates foresight to remove strategic risk, thereby protecting the funds on whose behalf you act; the shareholder.
I agree that this is how it's done, but is it really an effective way to run a business?


this adversarial approach costs far more than genuine concern for the people that make the company

Ironically for companies like Qantas, hell bent on division, fear and anxiety driven compliance
Fear and anxiety are killers, could QANTAS really survive a hull loss? The only thing it has going for it as a brand now is the fact that it hasn't lost a jet yet.

Professional Amateur 3rd Jun 2018 23:14

https://youtu.be/U8Lw8apnuVs


mattyj 4th Jun 2018 00:14

You’re looking at the next wave of recruitment for Australia..circa 2025

FYSTI 4th Jun 2018 07:25


'There's no one': pilot sickness, faults stretch Qantas


By Matt O'Sullivan

Updated4 June 2018 — 3:57pmfirst published at 2:57pm

Qantas’ fleet of A330 aircraft has been stretched to cover services over the past few days after two of the twin-aisle plane types suffered engine and flight control faults.

And in a sign of the pressure on crewing, a Qantas 747-400 jumbo bound for the Chilean capital of Santiago from Sydney with a full load of passengers narrowly avoided being cancelled on Sunday when a replacement for a sick pilot was found in the nick of time.“Scheduling is desperately seeking a first officer or suitably qualified [right-hand seat] captain to crew the QF27,” a Qantas manager of base operations wrote in an “urgent request” to pilots fewer than three hours before the jumbo was due to depart Sydney.

“All standby crew have been used and SMS messages sent plus management pilots contacted. There’s no one. The flight is likely to be cancelled.”

The urgent email request was sent about 2½ hours after the company fired off a text message to well over 100 pilots to see if anyone was available to step in.
The Qantas jumbo eventually took off on the 12-hour flight to Chile about 45 minutes late.

While a sign of strong demand for flights, pilots say the airline’s high utilisation of aircraft is placing pressure on crewing. And it also raises the likelihood of disruptions to flights when aircraft encounter significant technical problems.
All standby crew have been used and SMS messages sent plus management pilots contacted. There’s no one.

Qantas manager of base operations
On Friday, a Qantas A330 bound for Bangkok turned back to Sydney Airport shortly after take off when one of its two engines suffered a “high vibration event”.

The plane circled Sydney before landing safely about an hour after departing. Passengers on QF23 were later put on a replacement plane bound for Bangkok, but the affected A330 remains grounded at Sydney to allow for the engine to be replaced.

And late on Friday night, another Qantas A330-300 bound for Hong Kong was forced to remain on the ground at Brisbane Airport due to a flight-control malfunction, resulting in a three-hour delay.

“Due to the increased utilisation and complexity in the A330 network, I would expect there to be ongoing delays for the next few days due to these two events,” Qantas’ deputy manager for Airbus fleet operations told pilots in an email on Saturday.

https://i.imgur.com/DuPeuAF.jpg

“This is unfortunately going to result in some roster disruptions.”

The senior manager said the A330 engine’s “high vibration event” above Sydney on Friday bore similarities to an engine problem on an aircraft departing Brisbane recently.

“We will be investigating the cause and provide information to you as soon as possible,” he said in the note.

At the weekend, six international flights were delayed by an average of about three hours.

https://i.imgur.com/c0zFVSj.jpg

Qantas said in a statement that airline schedules were finely tuned and, while it had a level of redundancy to help recover quickly if an aircraft had unexpected technical issues or crew suddenly became unwell, it sometimes did cause delays.

“Qantas is undertaking one of the largest pilot recruitment programs in its history, with
150 pilots to be recruited into Qantas and QantasLink in the next financial year,” it said.

Qantas plans to open a pilot academy next year capable of training up to 500 pilots annually.


maggot 4th Jun 2018 07:41

Purely a resource management issue above nothing to do with a shortage in the greater sense.
KPI met elsewhere, disruption paid from some else's budget

dragon man 4th Jun 2018 08:03

Exceptional circumstances, highly unusual, never happened before, as is typical our magnificent staff rose to the occasion. Could I get a job in the spin department, I mean the PR department?

Capt Kremin 4th Jun 2018 08:41

I could stoutly and robustly defend any charge of being a company man, but even I fail to understand the utility of releasing that to the media.

Rated De 4th Jun 2018 10:18


Originally Posted by Capt Kremin (Post 10164442)
I could stoutly and robustly defend any charge of being a company man, but even I fail to understand the utility of releasing that to the media.

It will likely turn up as ' narrative support' where legislative change is needed by Qantas to circumvent existing legislation.

maggot 4th Jun 2018 10:20

Yeah don't know why a pilot would release it, probably straight outta IR

Slippery_Pete 4th Jun 2018 10:48


So Pete, your son has only one option for a decent flying job to advance his caree
I don’t have a son, only a daughter.

But regardless, your mythical scenario doesn’t exist. There is never just one option to advance one’s flying career.

There may be only one which is a queue jumping, selfish, degrading decision for the entire industry... but there’s not one option.

What would I tell her? It’s a selfish, short term decision, from which you may get burned, and she’s a fool if she does it.

But she’s smarter than all that. I knew that when she chose never to get involved in Aviation.

But you keep on justifying the degradation of the industry and self prostitution with fictional scenarios :D

nefarious1 4th Jun 2018 11:44

Looks to me like Qantas will pull all levers to get the government to allow more 457 visas

Glorified Dus Briver 4th Jun 2018 12:26


Originally Posted by Andrias (Post 10164568)
Sunnies on during the interview...really!? Good job Maverick :ok:

How many of those clowns will I find on Instagram?


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