Maybe they don't want experience.....

Yep, I wonder about HR and corporate and industrial compliance. You won't always get it from an industry veteran but a newbe indebted with an endorsement?

Which also has me wondering about a push to get young ladies into aviation who aren't naturally motivated toward the profession- are ladies more industrially compliant ?

Now before I'm lambasted as a sexist, I fly with young ladies in Asia, who I feel in the age of automation, have an advantage over their 20 yo male counterparts in decision making and soft-skills due earlier maturity.

Jetstar usually employ from REX and small Prop jobs here and in Kiwi land.

They don’t usually take those with heavy time on type or any time at all.

That's been the case for a while now. They hate people who are not quickly brought to their knees by either promises or threats; they want the hungry aspirational ones.

Experience and education in aviation don't have the value they have in other industries. If they did cadetships wouldn't exist. Big jets overseas is often a oneway ticket. Your friends best chance would be to target a second tier operator for a DEC.

VARA, Alliance, Network, NJS and JetGo to name a few.

Better off becoming financially secure overseas and moving back for an early retirement.

The upside is that they saw the world, flew big jets for big airlines. Something to be proud of no doubt.

Is a DEC even possible at any of those airlines?

Has your mate done two wet seasons in the NT, and at least 1,000 hours in a C210?

And into an early grave. No point having all that money when your health has been destroyed by the flying hours required to get that extra money.

Job ad the other week for DEC A320 Captain's for VARA

DEC: I’ve seen it in some of the above. There are also freight DEC jobs. Another option: corporate. Check the AFAP jobs page. Have those guys applied for QF VA and TT? I doubt they failed the aptitude, reckon it was used to cull. Another option is NZ, Fiji and other island operators.

As for the early grave, sure understood. However there are some Asian outfits offering massive coin and if you went in with a plan you just might pull it off. Here in Aus with the tax system most will have to work to 60 and some 70 depending on which wife they are up to!

Why is that? Seems rather stupid to ignore all that jet experience.

I went through the same experience but I was applying for a domestic position from within Australia. It has nothing to do with experience unless they need quick upgrades to the LHS

Presumably because an experienced FO isn't seen as a plus by those that hire?

Hard to get your head around but its just a bum in a seat really. Capt is a bit different. For a DEC they want that experience.

Spot on! An F/O can be a 250 hour cadet so experience doesn't count and is just a bum in a seat.

There I go again, laughing as I snort my coffee on PPPrune...permanently single, retired at 45, pay tax no more.

Clearly not everyone is as clever or humble as you.

I once had the Head of HR at an OZ A320 operator say to me ‘why would we pay more just based on experience when we can train ANYONE off the street in 14 months to do the same job for a much lower wage’. Unfortuantly that is the attitude, we were trying to get a pay structure that increased with time in the company to encourage experienced pilots to stay.

Did you respond with

"we could take anyone off the street in one month to do the same job as you for a lower wage" :rolleyes:

Completely understand. As with Nurses and professions where there is emotional investment, HR/IR believe this can used as leverage.

With unlimited supply of willing, emotionally and financially invested applicants is it any wonder that so many games get played?

Demographics are certainly changing the landscape for adversarial IR, however in the meantime we will continue to see a continuance of the current 'model' of employee relations.

OnceBitten, something along those lines was indeed said. Sadly this is the attitude that pervades Airline Management, even he Chief Pilot (sitting on their side) said that experience is overrated as everyone including cadets completes their checks to the same standard. We said that ‘an interesting comment from a pilot who has done so well out of an industry that has paid him for his ‘experience’’. I truely believe this is the problem, to ‘attract’ the experienced pilots home to Australia and NZ you would have to put better contracts on the table, I don’t think that Airline Management see the value in doing that, they have a theory that they can set up their own academy to ensure a flow of cheap pilots who are of the same standard and as a stop gap if they can just get visa’s for pilots from other parts of the world where living standards are not great then the Aussie dream will attract them as opposed to better contracts.