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Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 9583912)
You can easily apply that to non-cadet pilots as well...
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It is interesting the criticism of this scheme, but I can tell you that it is a great start to a flying career if you are able to finance it. I know loads of ex-cadets who have gone on to bigger and better things.
Most are in their early 20's once their commitment to Jetstar is completed, I know a few who are now A320 FO's at Air New Zealand and a couple who are A380 FO's at Emirates. Of the ones who stayed in Jetstar, 2 of them have been allocated A320 Commands at Jetstar (NZ), one is the A320 Technical pilot and two are now Type Rating Instructors on the 787. So, it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but for those that commit it is the fastest way for a young guy or girl to get their career on the fast track. |
Still waiting too.. I gave them a call yesterday and the person I spoke to seemed to believe they hadn't sent out all invitations yet
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Still waiting
Yeh, havnt heard anything positive or negative yet, will give a call tomorrow!
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How long has the "Cadetship" been running? I've got no inside knowledge, but I'm having a hard time getting my head around the idea that some are already "787 Type Rating Instructors".
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Maybe TFOs
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They are Training First Officers and were the first pilots to be certified by CASA for the provision of 787 type rating courses in Jetstar. They have been providing the training for quite a few Qantas pilots who are being trained at Jetstar.
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Maybe TFOs |
Originally Posted by 27/09
(Post 9603425)
Oh, I see, just like in GA where the new CPL becomes the instructor. It works wonderfully well in GA, so I guess it works in the airline environment too.
They mostly are teaching a scripted sim endo course and are to have in depth type knowledge to help trainees then get checked by those further up the tree. My airline is pretty selective on which sims are done by TFOs/sim instructors or check captains. Not a bad way to have efficient use of resources and expose future training captains to the system. |
Oh, I see, just like in GA where the new CPL becomes the instructor. It works wonderfully well in GA, so I guess it works in the airline environment too. |
das Uber Soldat: It works perfectly fine in the instructing world and to denigrate it in favour of 'experienced pilots' is pure ignorance. I'm not trying to denigrate anyone. We all had to start somewhere but to suggest experienced pilots are generally not better equipped to instruct than less experienced pilots, that is pure ********e. |
No mate, its not. I've covered this topic before. In the interests of not clogging up this thread, you can read my reasoning's here;
http://www.pprune.org/9565804-post9.html |
Hi, first type posting here. I have been looking into this cadetship program and was wondering are there anymore details about what is comprised within the Physics and Aviation Knowledge Test? Thanks
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The Jetstar Cadet Pilot Program applications have reopened for a mid year intake. See the CAE stand at Avalon Airshow, or CAE Oxford Avaition Academy website for more details.
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Good lucks to all you knew jocks coming to the J*...
Can't wait to git mentooring youse all in how to "handle the big jets" and teach youse all a thing or 3:cool: |
Originally Posted by Stretch06
(Post 9695020)
The Jetstar Cadet Pilot Program applications have reopened for a mid year intake. See the CAE stand at Avalon Airshow, or CAE Oxford Avaition Academy website for more details.
I'm a bit perplexed to see that the Phase 1 testing fee has increased from $150 to $200 since testing conducted in December. Why the noticeable increase in such a short time? I know that many people had to travel from interstate and ended up paying hundreds in flights and accomodation just to attend to testing. How many quality applicants will be deterred simply by the sheer cost ($140k for training + accomodation + living expenses) associated with this cadetship? I went through the testing for a cadetship with a different airline a number of years ago and got through to the final round. The airline paid for flights and accommodation to a major city so candidates could be further tested. Whilst I understand this may not be viable for all airlines, I think it important for organisations to pick quality trainees that have the right aptitude as compared to those with the deepest pockets. Although I understand that money talks and there is no shortage of wannabe pilots, I think that ultimately airlines are only hurting themselves by precluding potential quality applicants who simply don't have the finances. |
Originally Posted by TequilaMockingbird
(Post 9706832)
I'll bite.
I'm a bit perplexed to see that the Phase 1 testing fee has increased from $150 to $200 since testing conducted in December. Why the noticeable increase in such a short time? I know that many people had to travel from interstate and ended up paying hundreds in flights and accomodation just to attend to testing. How many quality applicants will be deterred simply by the sheer cost ($140k for training + accomodation + living expenses) associated with this cadetship? I went through the testing for a cadetship with a different airline a number of years ago and got through to the final round. The airline paid for flights and accommodation to a major city so candidates could be further tested. Whilst I understand this may not be viable for all airlines, I think it important for organisations to pick quality trainees that have the right aptitude as compared to those with the deepest pockets. Although I understand that money talks and there is no shortage of wannabe pilots, I think that ultimately airlines are only hurting themselves by precluding potential quality applicants who simply don't have the finances. |
Originally Posted by Derfred
(Post 9706862)
It is the "Jetstar way". If the above offends you, then Jetstar isn't the career for you...
Maybe Jetstar isn't right for me, and that's something I'm perfectly okay with. But this isn't about me - it also appears that the cadetship isn't for those who don't have considerable wealth backing them despite their abilities and affinity. Aptitude is paramount for some career choices (emergency services, ATC, defence). I would say having the right deamour and mindset is an important trait in pilots too. The lack thereof has proven to have devastating results. The consequences can be wide reaching, having an impact on not only those involved directly, but in some circumstances the whole aviation industry comes under microscope. Aircraft disasters and incidents can result in substantial financial ramifications to the airline and the industries they feed into (tourism, etc), so it makes sense to source those most suited to the job. Imagine if a train driver, police officer, air traffic controller, etc was chosen in the same manner. Countless people entrust their lives to these high skilled professionals, and these individuals themselves have to trust that their colleagues are proficient at their jobs (much the same that a Captain should want a decent First Officer and vice versa). As such, pilots as a collective should be concerned about the potential dilution of the standards in their industry. |
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