A321 doors 2 and 3 L & R always are emergency exits only - they are never used for boarding or catering so why would anyone wish to open this door in normal ground mode or ops?

unless the under door fuselage mounted & housed slide went off on its own accord due a defect....

This door certainly isn't the CMs door. It's L2.

The LF is bloody lucky they where not flung out into a spinning engine. The doors open with quite some force. If you're not holding the inner handle when you lift the door handle, It could get messy.

JQ procedures are to open door from outside. An Airbus door will not deploy the slide while armed if opened from the outside.

The L2/R2 L3/R3 doors are not use on the 321, must have been a mega brain fart. Such things happen when you're dealing with people.

It would actually be (slightly) shallower. The only things higher following a gear collapse are outboard of the remaining gear.

146 disarms slide when you pull out the external handle - or have you expunged that type from your memory Clarry?

^^^ couldn't agree more, the 'line training' the new crew get is a joke!

I have trained hundreds of crew with a major Australian airline in EP's
Lack of concentration is the major cause in arming/disarming procedure mishaps.
As a debriefing team we always saw an issue with A320/21 with the door arming device and the door operating handle having the same motion��

How hard is it to remember "pin,lever,pin"The big problem is the perception of the F/A role within the company as being nothing more than a glorified waitress. Thats why the training course has been reduced to a 3 week fire hose method of instruction and a 3 day line training program. Once the F/A role is viewed as being safety critical then hopefully the only "brain farts" are simply forgetting a sign on time. I doubt whether this is a lapse of concentration. I would suggest it is a result of someone not being adequately trained or assessed for the job.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/3169...ew-stood-down/

Bula, would you mind explaining all that in English? :confused:

Out of curiosity, do any JQ 320/321 operate with slide rafts? Or are they all slides only? I've lost continuity with AUS reqs.

You mean like when the passengers in the exit rows over the wings are trained on when and how to open the exit door?

I have always found that a bit amusing, and always try to sit in an exit row to make certain the other passengers open them when supposed to. (or not supposed to)

In my outfit, Underfire, the Exit Row pax get a thorough briefing on when and how. I would be very surprised if the exit row pax you sit next to weren't given the same...

Must've done Kiwiconehead, the only bit I remember was having to manually disarm them each EPs. Mind you, it's been 11 years but I think I'd recognise one if I saw it.... :8

when a pilot has a decent f. up his previous couple of rosters get looked at.

flight attendants? not so much.

i wonder what this flighty's last fortnight involved. (20-something partying habits aside)

Well, I that's comforting.:rolleyes:

Didn't a Qantas SP expeience an accidental slide deployment once upon a time in Townsville? :}:E

Our FAs type Level 6 English too! :ok:

JQ do not cross check armed and disarmed doors anymore but all doors are opened from the outside to prevent inadvertant slide deployment.
This door was not the L1 door but a mid cabin exit. It was not even a normal door. The crewmember may of had a brainfart and removed the plastic cover to open the door in armed mode (which is not normally opened on this aircraft unless in an emergency anyway) or a pax has done it. I feel sorry for the crewmember involved if this was a genuine stuff up. I cant imagine the horror of the seeing the door opening and slide coming out and realising you've just screwed up big time.

Does JetStar have a fairly robust internal investigation process? I imagine it does but don't know. The reason I ask is that when I see cabin crew making errors like this ( if it was cabin crew) then I immediately think of the punishing rosters they fly. Will their rosters be analysed as a matter of course to asses likelihood of fatigue or does Jetstar decide on the investigation components on a case by case basis?

The roster will be analysed and assessed as "legal" and the poor crew member will be hung for not managing their rest appropriately. Don't mention the "F" word. This will create a problem with the FRMS approval.
Yes, this is commonly known as the "Just" culture. That is, Just sack em and upper "management" Just cover thy ar*e at all cost.:rolleyes: