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SHVC 22nd Mar 2017 09:11

Well Boeing you're not correct in that,

Whilst I some what agree, the wet lease clause does state that there will be no wet leasing or subcontracting on routes operated by VARA, July 17th these routes will not be operated by VARA ATR 72 aircraft, unless, they bring the F100 or A320 from the west coast. July 18th VA can get whom ever they like so in comes Alliance to operate these routes.

FlightBoy787 22nd Mar 2017 12:08

How many A330 will stay on the Transcontinental routes now some have be deployed onto the daily MEL/HKG services ?

Riding the Goat 23rd Mar 2017 01:48

I hear Jetgo are the likely ones to take on this work on there own, maybe with a VA codeshare to circumvent the EBA clauses.

Going Nowhere 23rd Mar 2017 07:26

Might explain their recent ad for crew due to Brisbane expansion.

chuboy 23rd Mar 2017 08:12

Jetgo the replacement with their fleet of E-jets? You couldn't make it up

Falling Leaf 23rd Mar 2017 09:38

Virgin still had the aspirational goal of becoming Australia's airline of choice...

How can that be the case when you get rid of your 100 seater with no clear alternative operator in place who will fly your pax around with the same product and with a VA paint job on the skin.

Ditto for the ATR, reduce the fleet by 3/4 therefore basically giving up everything north of Coffs Harbour.

How can you be Australia's airline of choice when you've either given up on regional or you are going to shovel your pax onto other operators with different product and branding?

Maybe all this 'strategy' is nothing more then a fire sale to keep the doors open until the last folly (HK from MEL and SYD) finally sinks the listing ship?

Lurker2 23rd Mar 2017 10:32

Wonder what this all means for the cadet program which supposed to be bought back to life this year.

BPA 23rd Mar 2017 11:24


Originally Posted by chuboy (Post 9716245)
Jetgo the replacement with their fleet of E-jets? You couldn't make it up

Ejets are the E170-195 family and the E135-145 are ERJs (Embraer Regional Jets).

Jetgo are going to need another 6-8 aircraft by July if they want to take over the runs and I can't see that happening.

Alliance can offer the F50, F70 or the F100.

blumoon 25th Mar 2017 23:05

Might be a capacity hole opening up where Q can put more Qlink 717's into use on the East coast? If only they could find more from what mates in the game tell me

chuboy 11th May 2017 00:54

ASX announcement today confirming Alliance will be flying BDB, GLT, MOV, PQQ with VA flight nos. In addition to the wet lease flying to Cloncurry, Mt Isa, and Rocky.

Happy days...

B772 11th May 2017 02:01

Alliance shares up 24 % today. 69c to 85c.

Goat Whisperer 11th May 2017 04:28

Pretty soon Alliance will be able to buy VA. Probably to shut it down.

wheels_down 11th May 2017 04:38

Rebrand Virgin as Tiger.

Makes more money plus kills off the orange cancer.

Falling Leaf 11th May 2017 06:23

The 'alliance' with Alliance is supposedly for 12 months....

What then? The company portray this as a crewing resource issue, which is part of the problem, but when they restore the pilot numbers, what do they have to re-commence those 70-100 seat routes in QLD that Alliance are supposedly covering as a temporary issue....?

The answer is nothing. Therefore this must be a deliberate strategy all along to contract out the 70-100 seater market...

In other words, this arrangement is as 'temporary' as the Federal budgets deficits are promised to be.

B772 11th May 2017 08:52

The inside word is John Borghetti is expected to resign in September joining his mate James Hogan in the unemployed queue.

Falling Leaf 11th May 2017 09:45


The inside word is John Borghetti is expected to resign in September
That has been talked about for the past 2 years....hope this time it's more then a rumour.

The Bullwinkle 11th May 2017 11:26


Originally Posted by Falling Leaf (Post 9767562)
That has been talked about for the past 2 years....hope this time it's more then a rumour.

Can't come quickly enough.
Unfortunately it's probably too little too late, the damage has been done!

AuzPilot 11th May 2017 21:38


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 9714869)
Well Boeing you're not correct in that,

Whilst I some what agree, the wet lease clause does state that there will be no wet leasing or subcontracting on routes operated by VARA, July 17th these routes will not be operated by VARA ATR 72 aircraft, unless, they bring the F100 or A320 from the west coast. July 18th VA can get whom ever they like so in comes Alliance to operate these routes.

Big announcement yesterday from Virgin and Alliance. Apparently, even bigger things to come.
Virgin Australia hands regional routes to Alliance

Berealgetreal 11th May 2017 23:51


There goes what, 30-40 commands someone already in the group has done their time for?
Same story for 7 years, why stop now?


unemployed queue.
As multi-millionaires.

Ken Borough 12th May 2017 03:29


The operation of the regional Queensland and wet-lease flights will acquire an additional three operational aircraft that have already been acquired from Austrian Airlines,’’ Alliance said in a statement to the Australian Stock Exchange. “ - See more at: Virgin Australia hands regional routes to Alliance
What in hell does this mean?


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