So when are they going to rebrand the company Ansett?
They've pretty much acquired the same fleet! |
It was tongue in cheek....747's and VA dont go together, neither does A330's and HK....that would be common sense
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Just goes to show how bad things have got. If they think they struggled with a 4th Generation airframe like the Embraer how are the engineers going to deal with these old clunkers. Not to mention the well documented oil fumes problems. Engine TBOs around the 5500 hrs and 2300kg/hr as long as there is no icing. Hope they can find a few blacksmiths to deal with the known mainspar corrosion issues as well. |
I suspect the difference is that NJS/Cobham have a handle on how to maintain those airframes, which bits break regularly, have the process for changing an engine down pat (albeit without using QC engines), it will very much depend on who maintains these things, but they aren't a 737, don't have the issues a 737 has and isn't as reliable as a 737, so it will require a mindset change.
The saving grace will be, I assume, that these things will sit around during the day and not fly, so the engineers will have plenty of time to work on them, assuming that they actually employ engineers during the day and not rely on the MEL and good luck to get by. |
Originally Posted by Snakecharma
(Post 9307732)
I suspect the difference is that NJS/Cobham have a handle on how to maintain those airframes, which bits break regularly, have the process for changing an engine down pat (albeit without using QC engines), it will very much depend on who maintains these things, but they aren't a 737, don't have the issues a 737 has and isn't as reliable as a 737, so it will require a mindset change.
The saving grace will be, I assume, that these things will sit around during the day and not fly, so the engineers will have plenty of time to work on them, assuming that they actually employ engineers during the day and not rely on the MEL and good luck to get by. As a side, the few VA engineers I know all worked on 146's back before Virgin existed so they know what they are like (even if the mangement don't). |
FYI these will be ops and maintained by a 3rd party, but flown with a Virgin tail.
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Operated by VARA
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Operated by VARA |
experience in operating old unreliable aircraft. Interesting that with a little research and digging around I found that NJS/Cobham using these "unreliable aircraft" have a better OTP than Qantas, Virgin, Jetstar and Tiger. Funny that. |
So you are saying that they are reliable and don't require a lot of care or experience in maintaining them? Of the 146 drivers I've spoken to they've all said the opposite.
As for OTP are you comparing Cobham 146's to 737/320's operating on 35 minute turns up and down the east cost nearly 24/7? |
Find it really interesting that on this forum, the addition of 2 BAE-146 aircraft to a small air-freight subsidiary business has attracted more attention then the withdrawal of 18 E-jets. :ugh::ugh::ugh:
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Originally Posted by Falling Leaf
(Post 9310959)
Find it really interesting that on this forum, the addition of 2 BAE-146 aircraft to a small air-freight subsidiary business has attracted more attention then the withdrawal of 18 E-jets. :ugh::ugh::ugh:
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Originally Posted by Howa
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Will the E-jet withdrawal signal a longer wait for off the street recruitment?
What fleet are you talking about? External recruitment sounds like it will be on to the ATR, 777 or VANZ. External recruitment on to mainline jets looks unlikely given the number of VARA, VANZ and 777 pilots already on the seniority list, plus the E-Jet guys that now will need to find places on the 737. The only thing that might stimulate external recruitment onto VAA jets is if there was a sudden pilot shortage and significant growth, and the existing pilots were bonded and therefore couldn't move. Plus there is a cap on the number of VARA pilots that can go across to VAA so they don't cripple the regional fleets. Given Virgin's woes and the dying economy there will be no significant growth for the foreseeable future. |
Primarily interested in VANZ fleet.
Thanks for the info. |
Speaking of Ejets...
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plus the E-Jet guys that now will need to find places on the 737 So wouldn't be holding my breath about external recruitment. |
So you are saying that they are reliable and don't require a lot of care or experience in maintaining them? Of the 146 drivers I've spoken to they've all said the opposite ALL aircraft require the care and experience of engineers. VB had issues with the E Jet until there was some level of experience. The NJS/Cobham engineers are across any issues. Their clients seem happy enough. Do we as "drivers" (a horrible expression) really know what goes on with maintenance? |
Originally Posted by Icarus2001
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No, I am saying that they are NOT unreliable as stated by WipperSnapper in his/her first ever post.
ALL aircraft require the care and experience of engineers. VB had issues with the E Jet until there was some level of experience. The NJS/Cobham engineers are across any issues. Their clients seem happy enough. Do we as "drivers" (a horrible expression) really know what goes on with maintenance? |
Is it just me, or am I the only one who saw that VAA have 10.5 million in operating cash....
Selling th E100 Sounds like a capital free-up to me, in case credit becomes tight. A small loss on routes where B737 replaces E190 and let the "cheaper" capital assets fill the void on a small inefficiency until there is more money in the bank. I haven't looked at the debt yield ratio's. Anyone? |
Someone has.....Look at where the share price closed on Friday. Although considered not an actively traded stock its performance does seem particularly woeful even with the Friday afternoon closing price shenanigans.
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Someone has.....Look at where the share price closed on Friday. Although considered not an actively traded stock its performance does seem particularly woeful even with the Friday afternoon closing price shenanigans. It did see a bit of a sell off right after a mum and dad investor newsletter (The Motley Fool) touted Qantas' turnaround and suggesting people buy that. With a 18% drop over 3 days you'll also find that the shorters would have been all over the stock. The day traders will more than likely be keeping an eye on the shares as well waiting for a bounce which will see an increase in the price and then another sell off while the aforementioned get out of their positions. I don't day trade anymore so don't have access to IRESS anymore, but could be an interesting one to watch (from a trading point of view). Especially if Virgin can get Tiger to turn a profit within the next 12 months. In the meantime I wouldn't see the share price as much of a concern. |
Rumour has it that the sale/lease whatever you want to call it for the first e jets hasn't exactly proceeded swimmingly after all......... "Oh, what to do, what to do...."??
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More info please. I heard there off to Tehran!
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The shareholders have been asked to kick the can for another injection of around $425M...(today's SMH & AusAvn)
http://australianaviation.us1.list-m...b&e=310205b049 Creative accounting perhaps on these last profit disclosure ?? |
$425 million….that should keep the A330 going for another 3-4 years….:8
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It's only a rumour young fella. But saying you'll take them and actually getting the finance in place to do so appear to be different things......
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Is the ex Virgin F50 fleet still at ASP ?
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Parking the ATR 72-500s
Doz any 1 no wen VARA r parking all d ATR 72-500s out a YDAS :confused: :confused: :confused:
Is there an internal Engineering Email 4 a tech 2 b based in d Alice :bored: :bored: :bored: R Alliance about 2 pikup all ATR RK & GLA runs soon :{ :{ :{ Doz d ATR fleet com unda REVIEW WITH LESS DEN 8 X FRAMES FLYN :sad: LOOKS ALOT LIKE QR ATM :( :( :( |
Haha so funny Boeing. I was sort of thinking the same. :ok::ok::ok:
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I haven't seen that sort of Frontier Gibberish in years. Excellent effort.
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Forget the way DutyofCare wrote the message and take note of the content. He/she has shown in the past that he/she knows what's going on behind the scenes and is just being cryptic.
Rats have fled the sinking ship and there's a massive crew shortage within VA. This gives the company more reason to outsource the flying to Alliance. I doubt the ATR will be flying much in QLD soon, if GLT and ROK go that just leaves Moranbah and the odd Bundaberg flight. No wonder pilots have left, including very senior ones. |
Why would the fleet come under review with less than 8 frames?
Why not apply that logic to the 777/330 |
Good point.
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The 777/330 fleet is under (has been for 2 years or so) with the plan to only have one widebody (B787 or A350)
I think the reduced ATR fleet future will be in NSW. |
350/787 are expensive however.
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Is the rumour true pilots received an email in the last day or two all but confirming the demise of ATRs in QLD?
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Half year results out today, JB confirming all E190 flying ceased in 2017 with the remaining airframes to be sold.
No 737MAX until 2019 either. |
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Who is the buyer of the 190's? Better outcome than parking them. Lot of ATR talk going on.
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No Green Lights Ahead for V
The E-jets will be parked in a U.S Desert for an amount shorty.
About 10 x Ejet frames still have leases on them ( till 2022 ) thx to Pork Roll stuffing up a potential buyer when he used to sit in the SYD Throne Room. No cash for the new B738 Max: are the 1st 10 going to Air Fuji :eek: JB is Pig Headed on VAA A332 ops EBA saying recently: DON'T ANYONE IN THIS ROOM MENTION BUSINESS CLASS COMMUTING TRAVEL TODAY THE ANSWER IS NO > I WILL JUST MOVE ON & ANSWER THE NEXT QUESTION :ouch: With that type of attitude, what possible chance have all the hard working crews got to help see a better direction for the A332 ops :confused: :confused: :confused: So many issues to resolve for V now, we wonder how some managers sleep each night :ugh: What's CASAs position on Vs continual open rostering / unapproved leave scheme & the effects on crews just out of interest := |
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