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wheels_down 19th Jan 2016 09:34

SIA to launch CBR
 
First International route announced tommorow in Canberra, 4 weekly SIN-CBR-WLG. A330.

Where is Qantas Sydney Airways?? Too busy complaining about the competition...crying victim..

timboeing707 19th Jan 2016 10:02

Thanks, was wondering what day this week it was being announced.

Looking forward to seeing the A330 at Wellington!!

LOL Qantas Sydney Airways, we have the same trouble with Air Auckland aka Air New Zealand virtually ignores Wellington, Christchurch!

I could be wrong but I know a ANZ 787-9 has never visited Wellington and possibly Christchurch!

Best Regards

Tim

HotPete 19th Jan 2016 10:15

What is the reverse route?

timboeing707 19th Jan 2016 10:19

Wellington - Canberra - Singapore

600ft-lb 19th Jan 2016 11:46

I'm sure Qantas has a plethora of data detailing the number of pax who wish to travel this particular route, I'm sure if there was money to be made, QF or VA or AirNZ would've jumped on board.

Seems like more of a move of desperation by SQ who are so busy creating subsidiaries that are cannibalizing and competing with the mothership (sound familiar) that they don't know where else to put their aircraft.

I know we all give QF a hard time for the whole QF/JQ thing, how about SQ/Scoot/SilkAir/Tigerair ?

mostlytossas 19th Jan 2016 13:07

Don't know if I agree with the Qantas would have jumped on board bit.
Take Adelaide as an example. In the last few years Singapore has increased its flights to mainly twice a day, Emirates have come in and Qatar about to in a few months (both daily) and still no Qantas International.

600ft-lb 19th Jan 2016 22:18

Apples to oranges. SQ or any ME carrier flying from ADL to a hub then onward gives passengers plenty of options for onward connections. QF abandoned sin for dxb as we all know and are flying the remaining widebody airframes to end line destinations.

Singapore/Dubai/KL/etc aren't obviously attractive enough as a end line destination to offer to ADL that would come close with the competition frequency. Maybe if the 738 had the legs it would be deployed.

If it were your business would you throw your hat in the ring with dozens of carriers fighting over the scraps in the most competed for route in the world or would you just stick to monopolies and high yielding routes?

mostlytossas 19th Jan 2016 23:01

If it was my business I would have jumped in long ago before these other carriers arrived and protected my market share. As it is now Cathay,Emirates,MAS, Singapore, and soon Qatar all fly out to the west and beyond mostly full, while ANZ gets plenty to the USA. Good old QF gets none. If they keep allowing the scraps as you put it to drain off to others eventually there will be no market left for them to worry about.That is why Coles and Woolies are always looking to take market share from small operators ie chemists, butchers etc. Cant say I agree with that either but that is another issue.

dijical 20th Jan 2016 00:16

777-200
 
The route will be flown by 777-200s.

Lookleft 20th Jan 2016 03:26

At least Canberra Airport can now justify the 777 guidance lines at the 17 end that were painted there many years ago. Its also not the first international route into CBR. Direct Fiji has been tried before as has direct WLG. Unless SIA are prepared to pay for Customs attendance then it will probably go the same way as the others.

Ken Borough 20th Jan 2016 03:31


As it is now Cathay,Emirates,MAS, Singapore, and soon Qatar all fly out to the west and beyond mostly full, while ANZ gets plenty to the USA.
But....are they making money, or are they doing it in an attempt to weaken their competitors?

parabellum 20th Jan 2016 03:36

SIA rarely do anything out of desperation, their commercial and marketing departments are among the best. Quite possibly an ulterior motive to starting this route, be interesting to see if it works.

Metro man 20th Jan 2016 03:38


Unless SIA are prepared to pay for Customs attendance then it will probably go the same way as the others.
With all the politicians and civil servants spending taxpayers money rather than their own and all the business men on expense accounts I would think they would have a very lucrative market.

A one stop connection to the rest of the world on a premium airline which bypasses Sydney would be welcomed. Also Singapore - Wellington could be a useful connection for cities not served by ANZ.

UnderneathTheRadar 20th Jan 2016 04:08


The route will be flown by 777-200s.
I don't reckon so - the product difference between the A330/-200/-300 and the 777-xxxER and A380s is massive - especially with the crowd they'll be trying to impress.

My pet SIA peeve is that you can, from week to week, get totally different in-flight products (lie flat beds with privacy vs crappy old 'traditional' business class seats) on the same route at the same price.

......I know...... first world problem...... but their high value CBR and WLG government types will not settle for the dross when they can pop over to Sydney and get the service they 'deserve'.

PoppaJo 20th Jan 2016 04:54

Website confirms 772. A350 fleet is expected to replace 772 fleet starting March.

UnderneathTheRadar, think of those poor pax who had A380 downgraded over Summer on MEL-SIN on some days to a regional 772! Bit of a difference!

neville_nobody 20th Jan 2016 05:31


Quite possibly an ulterior motive to starting this route, be interesting to see if it works.
Like getting access to the Pacific?

juliet 20th Jan 2016 06:42

A 772 doing CBR-WLG? That's going to be amusing at the Wellington end.

timboeing707 20th Jan 2016 08:03

"A 772 doing CBR-WLG? That's going to be amusing at the Wellington end."

I have seen ZK-OKQ Air New Zealand at Wellington, and many of the others in the Air New Zealand 773 fleet have visited at some point. If you search Wellington Airport Boeing 777 on youtube theres some vids of them there. My video of ZK-OKQ is here on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX7Qseo_DRs

At the time of the second and more destructive Christchurch Earthquake in 2011 Air New Zealand used their Boeing 777-200 thru Wellington with no problems, and I guess they would not have done this unless the loading of passengers would be high (if any one has anymore info on these flight please contact me!)

And don't forget we used to have 747SPs and we have had two 707s visit Wellington.

I can't wait to see the Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-200s at Wellington!!!

Best Regards

Tim Gorman

Lookleft 21st Jan 2016 05:27


Like getting access to the Pacific?
Supposedly thats what SIA were going to do with Tiger. The Trojan Horse that would get them access to the Pacific. Before that it was Ansett and AirNZ. When I see SIA have a successful airline that is not based in Singapore I will accept that:


SIA rarely do anything out of desperation, their commercial and marketing departments are among the best.

BalusKaptan 21st Jan 2016 10:00

Also had a B747-200 in WLG for Norman Kirk's funeral. Airforce One.

HotPete 21st Jan 2016 10:48

I was wondering if there were any worries out of CBR to SIN on a hot day.

slamer. 21st Jan 2016 10:48

Cant wait to see the first landing in a good WLG Nor-wester.

Say about 320M/25kts G40kts.

A steady 60kts is a bit to easy.

juliet 21st Jan 2016 10:52


"A 772 doing CBR-WLG? That's going to be amusing at the Wellington end."

I have seen ZK-OKQ Air New Zealand at Wellington, and many of the others in the Air New Zealand 773 fleet have visited at some point. If you search Wellington Airport Boeing 777 on youtube theres some vids of them there. My video of ZK-OKQ is here on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX7Qseo_DRs

At the time of the second and more destructive Christchurch Earthquake in 2011 Air New Zealand used their Boeing 777-200 thru Wellington with no problems, and I guess they would not have done this unless the loading of passengers would be high (if any one has anymore info on these flight please contact me!)

And don't forget we used to have 747SPs and we have had two 707s visit Wellington.

I can't wait to see the Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-200s at Wellington!!!

Best Regards

Tim Gorman
Well aware they've been there before. Like I say, going to be amusing.

kiedistv 21st Jan 2016 11:06

To be honest, I think that Singapore Airlines probably wanted to do a direct service from Singapore to Wellington, but due to the size of the runway at Wellington, they decided to try Canberra knowing that the CEO of the airport has always loved the idea of international routes and he has showed expression of interest for the CBR to WLG route. I maybe wrong but this is my opinion on the scenario. Also, I don't think the route would last very long without VA and ANZ codesharing it. I wouldn't pick SIA - CBR as earning a profit. Then again, I maybe wrong

Lookleft 21st Jan 2016 22:09


I was wondering if there were any worries out of CBR to SIN on a hot day.
I would imagine it would be quite easy for a 777 that's only 1/3 full (if that).:ok:

DJ737 22nd Jan 2016 00:52

I think SQ has done quite a lot of research on Canberra being a suitable destination by analysing postcodes of pax booking on them ex SYD and other similar demographics, not sure about the Canberra-Wellington sector, VA or NZ doing that with a 737/E190/A320 would be able to cope on that sector, unless SQ are going to fill the 777 belly with frozen sheep out of Wellington.

If SQ wanted somewhere to fly the plane for the day, Canberra-Hobart might have been a better tag leg, I'm sure the Tassie govt / Hobart airport would have welcomed them with open arms & a bit of cash.

Lookleft 22nd Jan 2016 01:57

If thats the case then SIA would need to offer the same fare as SYD-SIA as CBR people will drive to SYD if it saves them money or catch a Murray's coach to the Intl terminal. They might as well announce SIA-NTL if its just about postcodes.

I hope you are not serious with this statement:


If SQ wanted somewhere to fly the plane for the day, Canberra-Hobart might have been a better tag leg, I'm sure the Tassie govt / Hobart airport would have welcomed them with open arms & a bit of cash.

LPS500 22nd Jan 2016 02:15

Maybe Wellington had deeper pockets than Hobart?

Wellington ratepayers to pay $8m over 10 years for Canberra flights | The National Business Review

ozaub 22nd Jan 2016 04:49

Meanwhile Jetstar too has begun offering international flights from Canberra; to Fiji, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand and USA. Yes, the flights really are on the Jetstar website. Albeit code share with Murray coaches from the Jolimont bus station!
There are going to be some very confused incoming pax.

Ejector 23rd Jan 2016 14:36

Looking for a start date on this as a pax.

BuzzBox 23rd Jan 2016 20:46

Ejector:

20 September 2016

'Capital Express' Service To Connect Singapore, Canberra And Wellington

parabellum 24th Jan 2016 01:26

Lookleft - you obviously don't like SIA, for whatever reason, and it shows!

Chris2303 24th Jan 2016 04:12

BTW SIA as an airport code is Xian. Singapore is SIN

White Knight 24th Jan 2016 04:35

BTW Chris. SIA in the context of this thread is Singapore Airlines. Not the airport code! You will have seen that the OP stated SIN for Singapore Airport...

Chris2303 24th Jan 2016 05:35

"If thats the case then SIA would need to offer the same fare as SYD-SIA as CBR people will drive to SYD if it saves them money or catch a Murray's coach to the Intl terminal. They might as well announce SIA-NTL if its just about postcodes."

This is what provoked my post - there are other examples

slamer. 24th Jan 2016 11:47

Wonder if this has anything to do with lengthening the WLG rwy..??

kiedistv 24th Jan 2016 12:30


Originally Posted by slamer. (Post 9247373)
Wonder if this has anything to do with lengthening the WLG rwy..??

Since they're only flying to Canberra from WLG I doubt it. But maybe they're trying to bring on a direct route to Wellington and are delaying by linking capital cities ;)

Chris Leung 24th Jan 2016 15:05

Anyone knows if they (SIA)'re still holding the longest passenger flight time record? Thanks.

topend3 24th Jan 2016 15:19

Reports that the service at the Wellington end is heavily incentivised by WCC and Infratil (the airport owners) so will be interesting to see how long this lasts...

timboeing707 24th Jan 2016 20:43

"Also had a B747-200 in WLG for Norman Kirk's funeral. Airforce One."

BalusKaptain, are you sure you are right there?
Do you have a photograph?

Best Regards


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