Why lock "tiday, August 24"?
 

Why lock Sherm's thread?
A topic relevant to the industry we are today, part of our history and part of what we may or may not want to see repeated.
I fail to understand why the mere mention of the pilot dispute of Australia in 1989 is cause for Ban!
I say let the discussion continue, play by the rules and penalise those that don't but mods, please don't filter this topic for our generation.

Too many muppets that can't play nicely.

There's two sides to the story and they'll never see eye to eye. Such is life and such was s horrible time for all.

Play nicely kids :)

Do I have to say it again? :{

Not scared of a little open and spirited discussion are we ACMS?
I agree. Let them go. If you don't like it. Don't read it. It's really not that difficult.

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Maybe it should just be moved to Jet Blast or Aviation History & Nostalgia.

Will ever be lucky that I joined QF the year before.:ok:

Not at all, I'm on the correct side of 89 but it's just that every time we tried to explain what happened the thread turned nasty and was locked....:eek:

So I've given up.....:ooh:

Agreed ACMS. We've all seen our share of '89 threads go wrong.
Maybe this year will be different. :ok:

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morno, when they went back they got their 30% payrise, can't have been too unreasonable ;)

Interesting that times change.

Individual contracts are strenuously resisted by the "party" that introduced them.
Money was not the so called problem.
Recent decisions for the federation stated that "Unions" have the right to represent their members.

It was a bit like a heart attack, you get treated, get a stent fitted, but pills night and day remind you that things will never be as they were, survivable for sure, but never the same.

There is a post well back in history of mine, still feel the same.

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ACMS

Funny that, i am on the "correct" side too.

Yet we are on different sides?

Its all in your perspective i guess.

I was working as a 'rampy' and 'hangar-rat' at the time and so, I naturally heard quite a bit of gossip.
One of the gems that my dear mother passed on to me as a youngster was...
"Believe nothing you hear - and only half of what you see".

It would, though, after all these years, be interesting to get the REAL story.

They didn't get the 30% payrise they were seeking. They got a 30% increase in earnings because they worked 40-50% harder and most of their previous allowances were abolished and rolled into the hourly rate. The increased money was paid for by many less pilots doing the same hours (I think it's called "productivity"). They actually got the effect of a 3% increase in their previous hourly rate built into their new hourly rate when all the extras were rolled into the new hourly rate.

Most involved in aviation now were not flying professionally in '89. I regulary hear moans and groans from both sides of the dispute and always get a shocked look when I say that I don't really give a toss. I have read a few excellent accounts of what it was all about and can honestly say that I have no idea what side was right or wrong, it is one of those 'you had to be there'.

Wombat Watcher

As an East West pilot prior to the dispute I was sitting on 820+ hours for the year which included composite blocks.

That productivity must have been pretty valuable for all those Check Captains to decide to go back to work.

You may like to go back to your "source" for some further insight though by the sounds of it it may not be that accurate.

Seems to me that the visiting Americans were particularly adept at providing productivity as they seemed to do just fine.

3% my.......

If you did 820 stick (not credit) hours under the old award you would have made much more than flying 820 hers under the post- dispute arrangement.

Yes, certain groups flew a lot, mainly due to the inflexibility of the promotions system, but many flew very little and got paid a lot for it.

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You're a newby to PPRuNe and only 15 at the time. You are no doubt unaware of the passions and hatred this topic generates. Court cases have resulted from comments made on PPRuNe.

Nope, never again. The Mods have all been there, done that, never going there again.

"Google" is your friend on this topic. Not PPRuNE!!

Next time you seek an explanation, send a PM or an email to a Mod. You obviously didn't read the Rules you agreed to - opening a thread of this nature jeopardises your access to PPRuNe.