cockpit visits
 

Hi guys,

I was just wondering what the latest is with rules regarding cockpit vists specifically on jetstar ? I'm a BOEING engineering (With company ID on me if it makes any difference) and I'll be flying jetstar to the gold coast next week. I've got myself and my 1 year old son which is going to be his first flight !. What are the chances of visiting the pointy end of the aircraft while on the ground either before or after the flight to get a picture or 2 of him and myself in there... Would be a great souvenir to show him when he gets a bit older ! what are the laws these days regarding this sort of thing ? when I was younger, I remember flying heaps of times in the jump seat of the old ansett B767's. the flight crew were more than happy to accommodate... Its one of the reasons I got into the industry to begin with. I know things r very different these days... Is it still worth asking at the gate ? and if so who do I ask ?

Thanks

none of the guys i know there would have any problem with it. make your request once onboard and pop in at the end when everyones disembarking :ok:

do it quite often

Hi,
I can't speak for others, but it is always welcomed (on my flights anyway)! I would ask the FA to ask the tech crew up front if you can visit after the flight.

There's less workload at the end of the flight, so that'll be the best time to visit.

Have fun!

It's generally an airline policy no flight deck visits in the predeparture phase.

However at the end of the flight, pilots are always happy to have visitors.

Just remember with photography, many airlines have a social media policy. No pics on Facebook that can identify the aircraft operator. So if your son sits in the seat great, don't capture the rego if you're going to post it online. The crew can get in loads of trouble. Especially if the photos are misrepresented.

To quote the old Ansett

ABSOLUTELY

:ok:

Don't ask at the gate, they will say no......Ask during flight to the senior cabin crew and give them your card to pass up to the Captain, I'm sure it will be ok.


Such a crying shame we can't have good people like this in the cockpit during flight anymore, one of the biggest things we've lost over the years since 911...

Pilot777300,
You and your child are welcome on my/our flight deck ( another Australian airline) anytime, pre or post departure.
Photos are more than accommodated, I'll even let him wear my hat !!!.... If he wants to !
I hope to see you on board one day.
Cheers

I always used to get the kids to wear my hat until one day my offsider remarked how prevelent nits were amongst school aged kids:}

So use the F/O's hat:ok:

You guys do realise that discussing flight deck access protocols and quoting ops manuals on PPrune is not exactly a great idea.

Ask the flight attendant is all that needs to be said.

Oh get a grip mate.

No national secrets broken here.

FFS some people think they work for ASIS instead of just being an airframe driver.

Pre-departure visits not allowed but I always welcome visitors on arrival, just let the Cabin Manager know during the flight and then come on up and say gidday.

Cheers

Oh really?

Try running that past your employers security manager and see how they react.

Where does harmless chatter stop and your national security line start? Flight deck access is pretty fundamental and some very experienced people (think AFP and ex military, ASIS are more about intelligence gathering) make policy for all phases of "flight". Mouthy "airframe drivers" whatever that is, best keep that **** to themselves.

The people that would seek to do you harm, ARE SMARTER THAN YOU. The people who design policy to protect you, ARE SMARTER THAN YOU. So, shut the **** up.

Thanks all for the replies. I understand what is being said about not discussing any ops procedures publicly. That's the kind of precautions that unfortunately need to be taken these days to avoid a repeat of history. I have to deal with similar rules on a daily basis just applied in a different context.
I'll ask one of the FAs on the way out. Hopefully flight crew not to busy to spare 2 or 3 mins.

Ask on the way in or inflight for a visit after arrival at destination. Gives everyone a heads up and more likely a yes for you. Enjoy.

Ironbar take a Bex

You sure you've met them iron bar?

pilotb' I'm sure you will have no dramas and the vast majority of crews will be more than accommodating when they can, all good.

For the get a grip gang, let me run this past you.

We have now had Gob' publicise his employers policy straight from the ops manual. It's not too hard to work out who that employer is from his previous ramblings. lets say organisation A.

Benttrees has very kindly told us (in a slightly confusing fashion) that on his flight deck with "another Australian airline" you are welcome "anytime, per or post departure" Organisation B perhaps.

This has been transmitted across the globe to ANYONE who cares to read it.

Now if I was a scumbag wanting to do you harm and felt the urge to, oh I don't know, place a disabling device on your flight deck, during a pre departure visit? I would now be looking squarely at someone other than organisation A.

Think about it. By making this stuff public you are making things visible that shouldn't be. The fact that pilotb' had to ask means that (until now) it wasn't public knowledge.

If I was Gob or Benttrees I would be deleting those posts right now. Probably worth the moderator deleting the whole thread.

AFP and ex Mil' guys (and others), yep. ASIS, I wouldn't know, thats what ASIS means. . . . .

Ohh please. As if anyone is going to be able to plant anything in the flight deck when you've got two sets of eyes watching you.

No national security secrets broken here.

Look at it this way Iron Bar, isn't post flight also pre-flight for another leg?

morno

Naive Morno. Remember, The people that would seek to do you harm, are smarter than you. Lax procedures of distracted or complacent pilots (or cabin crew) would be easy to defeat.

Look, the issue here is not so much about any particular circumstances. It's more about the obligation not to make any of this stuff public, full stop.

Not sure about you, Iron Bar but I have had experience in the seeking and exploitation of "loopholes in processess" for the doing of harm (to them, of course, not to us) :8

You're right, of course, when you say that

But I think that the correlation of the above statement and the discussion on this thread about FAM procedures is a long bow to draw.

DIVOSH!