Toilet Breaks
 

Thanks to that idiot German Wings F/O the powers that be have decided that I can't be left alone on the flight deck while the copilot takes a leak, I need to be chaperoned by a flight attendant young enough to be my child.

Furthermore, as the toilet visit procedure is so involved, requiring the blocking off of the lavatory and attendance of another F/A in the forward galley I find it simpler to have a dual visit for both pilots, one after the other should either one require a break.

I've made quite a few bathroom breaks which I didn't really need, simply because the whole rigmarole is such a pain it's not worth it just for one person.

Anyone else finding the same ?

Yep....Its a big load of nonsensical B*ll****!

Yip.
Do you think that the added layer of security outweighs the risk of distraction while your f/o is chatting up the hostee while you take a leak?, or the added risk of selecting the wing anti-ice on while at FL 390 with your head as you manoeuvre to get out of your seat? Does it outweigh the risk of missing a radio call while you're tooing and froing on the intercom trying to negotiate a good time to urinate?
Biggest load of beurocratic rubbish yet.

Don't worry, they've got to run out of knees to jerk soon. I hope! :rolleyes::ugh::{

What is the position of our unions on this ?

Are they making representations on our behalf to the knee-jerkers?

Everyday I give thanks that I could get out of the industry.

Funny, that. Every day I wish I could reverse my old age and get back into the cockpit again :sad:

Fact is before 9/11 some carriers required a flight attendant to come into the cockpit whilst one of the flight crewmembers left the cockpit. Check your company manual.

It was not for security reasons back then as it is now.It was in the event the remaining crewmember became incapacitated failure of the auto-pilot, or the key did not work.


Now a day’s security is also an issue.

Fact is before 9/11 , some airlines left the cockpit door open and passengers could visit . Perish the thought that revenue passengers were allowed in the jumpseat also !!

Overseas yes... but not for some time even before 9/11 in the US. Sure miss those good old days:{.

Sorry to say it a knee jerk reaction by political types that really has reduced the level of safety. I now have a Thai national flight attendant that has a Muslim sounding name that i don't know from a bar of soap that's been in the company for about 6 weeks in total standing behind me with easy reach to a crash axe on the wall. Terrorist types be now able to infiltrate the flight deck inside of 6weeks after walking in off the street. Great:ugh:

I've found my urge to pee has become more frequent, particularly during mealtimes.
I must be a nervous flyer.

Prior to this rule groups of people had sat around scratching their heads wondering how they could most effectively bring an airliner down. They were well funded by maniacs pretending to be god/ Allah fearing types. They tried all sorts of weird and resourceful ways to bring an airliner and all the mothers, fathers, sons and daughters on board crashing down, sometimes they have been successful.
A few months ago our beurocrats created, and then publicly highlighted a simple and easy path to take control of the airliners. There will still be groups of maniacs plotting and scheeming, it's just that the route to controlling the aircraft is so simple and obvious that they won't need hidden explosives, they won't need to avoid airport security, they won't need to secret a box cutter in a seat back, all they need is physiological influence over one of their own young folk. A clean skin if you will. Someone who is more than four foot eleven and can pass a mass recruitment interview that entails no physiological testing, little in the way of academic achievement, and no specific skills testing.
Good work champs. Lucky you have been seen to do something.
Ps, if you feel that your flight is less safe now than it was prior to the new rule you should report this to both your airline and the FAA/CAA/CASA etc . Do it anonymously if you wish. I know of several people who have but nothing will change unless many of us report. There will be two benefits if you do, one, the industry will be safer, and two, you will be able to pee when you see fit rather than go into negotiations with your colleagues about when it would suit them for you to pee.

I may be missing something but this "Thai national with a Muslim sounding name with less than six weeks in the company" will still have access to the cockpit. They will still stand next to the axe each and every time they do gain access the other multitude of times they normally would throughout any given flight.

What is different about their entry into the flight deck when a pilot needs a wee, to their entry when a pilot receives their lunch? If they are a terrorist they have still gained access.

I believe the German pilot would not have carried out his murderous intentions if a FA had been on that flight deck with him.

I agree, I think he would have done it at 200ft with the Captain sitting helplessly beside him.
One situation is 2v 1, the other situation is 1v 1.
In the 2v1 neither of the 2 have shoulder harnesses on.
In the 1v1 one is in a five point harness and can't see the other directly behind them and is also required to be looking forward for most of the time.
You say " the German wouldn't have done it if a F/A was there. " In a few years time will you or someone else be saying " the F/A wouldn't have done it if the other pilot was there" .?
It works both ways, it's just that we are exposed to much lower numbers if it's just pilots. A lot fewer brains have to be 'healthy' if we are just trusting the pilots .

A managerial answer to your problem Metro.

http://www.toysrus.com/graphics/prod...1837797reg.jpg

Airbus proposed a solution...

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...5_aZ7L37aFk27A

Gas Bags,
Now they are in the cockpit with one pilot instead of two.

I agree the new rules reduce safety, but hey - the pax THINK they are better off!:rolleyes:

Hypothetical....

If an airline that mandates that a FA (2nd person) be in the cockpit when one of the pilots goes for a refreshment break changed their policy and carried a 3rd Pilot in the pax compartment and his job was to be that 2nd person instead of a FA, would this thread exist?

The FA isn't there to prevent a loony pilot from doing anything, she is there to unlock the FD door, if required.