back in 2005, Ozjet before they went down the business class only route, were looking at using 146's in & out of Bankstown to Melbourne & Adelaide.


Have the proposed schedule in front of me right now.


How many pax without any luggage can a 146-200 carry out of BWU to Melbourne ? Presume a 146-100 would be better.


Catch is security costs, which is where a Jetgo with an aircraft under 20 tonnes might work well. How much to get a Ejet "recertified" to be under 20 tonnes ? Was told it would cost around 10,000 Euros to get a Fokker recertified.


Plenty of pax ex MEL land at SYD & get a hire car & head straight out west to Parramatta way. Conversely, plenty of pax ex SYD don't live anywhere near SYD, but west of SYD.

BNEA320,

You are dreaming if you think you can recertfy the Ejet (190) or the F100 to under 20 tonnes, considering the operating weight of the E190 is just under 28 tonnes and the F100 is around 24 tonnes.

Actually it is really easy to have an aircraft certified to a lower weight. It is also possible to operate dual weights so you can use a higher weight for international flights and a lower one for domestic flights.

Very good point C100. However certifying to a weight less than the empty weight of your aeroplane is considered by some to be a waste of money.

CS100,

Yes it easy to do, I've done it in the past for turboprops. But to get the E190 or the F100 below 20T you would be left with 1-2 rows of seats (4-8 passengers and could only carry enough fuel for a circuit (if that). Even the operating weight of the E170 is around 22T, so it would also be a struggle to get it below 20T.

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"You are dreaming if you think you can recertfy the Ejet (190) or the F100 to under 20 tonnes, considering the operating weight of the E190 is just under 28 tonnes and the F100 is around 24 tonnes."


Nope !!!


Not talking E190 but rather ERJ135LR (Jetgo's is 1kg too heavy @ 20T exactly)


Not F100 but F50-most are 20,870KG MTOW.

Well, sorry to be picky, but a ERJ134/145 is NOT an ejet.

Ejet is a marketing name for the 170/190 family....

ERJ is the moniker for the little jets..

sorry, embraer jet

They are all 'Embraer jets'

Ejet = 170/175/190/195 (family)
ERJ = 135/140/145 (family)

Still doesn't cover the Fokker statement you said. There us no way the F100 or F70 could ever be certified under 20T.

bpa


read again F50 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps you should stop editing your posts!!!

I kinda get how this thread could have gone from Skyforce's misfortune to what some wannabe Borghettis and O'Learys think could be done with their 146 aircraft, but now it has gone beyond inane to moronic.
Mods, how about the big padlock before the tools completely escape the shed?

How about BNEA320 heads over to the Flight Centre forum instead? He continues to show that bashing out routes on his computer for customer tickets doesn't equate real world aviation knowledge.

Don't worry folks. We're now back to scheduled programming.

Skyforce Aviation. Wasn't that the topic? :O

skyforce aviation
 

Interesting about Skyforce. Does that mean the Convair CV580 out of Cairns is grounded as well? Nice plane. pity.