As a Mod and as one with many years PNG experience, I find certain posts on this page childish, ludicrous and objectionable.

geeup, precisely what are you insinuating? I know nothing more than what I read on this page but it appears to me and from subsequent posts, an AeroRescue pilot or pilots have secured an advancement in terms of equipment operated and secured their employment into the future, beyond the loss of their own company's rescue contract.

Would you care to explain what is immoral or unacceptable in finding a new job or exactly who they "helped" in PX management?

In 1976 the emerging PNG Government moved towards localisation and that has been a relentless process in the intervening years. Airlines world wide are endeavouring to reduce staffing costs and I suspect it is inevitable that as PX obtain more national pilots with experience on the equipment they operate, expatriate crew numbers will decrease or disappear. Learn to accept what has been inevitable since 1976. :=

And why shouldn't PNG replace their expatriate crews with PNG nationals? PNG is not a utopia for foreigners nor do you have a perpetual right to live in PNG unless you accept PNG citizenship, wages, terms and conditions.

After 23 years - more than half my life at that time in PNG - I awoke one morning and knew it was time to go and make a new future life in Australia.

You too must contemplate that inevitable decision.

I won't even comment on that statement! Don't even raise that year here!! :mad:

Cut the childish cr*p or the thread gets closed! :=

I misread the statement in regards to no expats by November. Additionally it would be totally unfair if there was resentment against new hires.

The AON super is a little gem deal, especially if you can afford to throw a whole 15% in and you are older and stay in it for longer than 5 years.

All in all, I believe that ANG would still be an excellent airline to fly for, with second to none training.

Change is always good.

The Aerorescue pilots probably regard ANG a a temporary option to get some jet time and move on. A year or two up there and then the field opens up considerably in the international job market. With QF new joiners spending seven years in the jumpseat and no sign of any new recruitment, and a seniority list at Virgin that offers the real possibility of the right hand seat for the rest of your career, ANG might not seem too bad an option.

With no career expectations or loyalty involved, a purely business decision can be taken to do a couple of years, get 1000 hours and move on. ANG management have decided to get rid of their expats and they are already leaving enmass for jobs which they may not have been qualified for before they joined.

In these circumstances why not grab the chance for some career advancement, which is sadly lacking in Australia ?

Tailwheel,
You have read a lot into my post.
I will clarify MY post and intend on taking the opportunity to respond to a lot of the points that you have raised.
However first I require a couple of SPs to gather my thoughts.

Totally agree Metro Man, could be some good opportunities especially for pilots who may be looking at unemployment or who are currently unemployed, especially for the people effected by the down turn in the FIFO business in northern Australia, or the demise of the SAR contract in the future. We as pilots must support and look after one another, not think for ourselves.

Good luck to all who apply.

So this is a rumour network and the rumour I heard was AeroRescue people from Cairns to join PX on the F100/70.

I was looking for a true or false.

All new recruits to "B Scale".

Therefore if the above is true which it may not be, do they know PX is in court with regards to industrial action? That is in court with the APA, NAPU & Cadets (220 odd not wanting to accept the above conditions).

If outside help be it AeroRescue people or anyone else it doesn't help the existing pilots case. Note certain website removed the PX job adverts for this reason.

The signing of any "B Scale" contract can only help the PX managements case.

As for the loss of the AeroRescue Cairns I contract I know nothing about.

Does this clarify my post?

Further to that I would like to clear the air with some facts about me with regards to your post:

I understand nationalisation is the future (barking up the wrong tree if this post is about racism as my wife and kids are Papua New Guineans).

Let's not head towards I'm a cadet bashed cause the mentioned wife is an ex cadet all be it not a pilot nor anything to do with PX hence I'm all for cadetships.

As for citizenship I qualify on 2 fronts 1) Wife 2) Over 10 years in PNG (not as long as some but enough to understand a little)

Returning to Oz hasn't been ruled out.

So Expats, Nationals & Cadets (current pilots) are in court / industrial action over pay & conditions and people are will to come in and accept B Scale..

I've been called worse things than childish. I'm just a small fish in a small pond.

Can I suggest instead of closing the thread just ban me perhaps as I feel lots of valid points are being raised.

QUOTE]Learn to accept what has been inevitable since 1976[/QUOTE]

Each PX Expat pilot has been aware of that fact since way back when, and I would think that many may take acceptation to that seemingly patronising sentence.

For information,... historically PX Work Permits were, and even now, are issued on the basis that the holder will train Citizen Pilots to be their replacements. All Expat PX pilots understand that.

Regards the replacements, well the PX Cadets are generally selected exceedingly well, and their training is excellent. So the need for expats will certainly diminish. And the PX cadet program has produced excellent pilots, trainers and checkers.

There is obviously still a need for expats (the current intake indicates that) due to there quite simply being a lack of "home grown" Pilots to fill the need.

However, the last few pages has not been about cadets or Expat replacements, etc, it is about what is happening in PX atm.

Geeup sums it very well. it is about an Industrial dispute which has led both the Citizen and Expatriate Pilots taking unprecedited Court Action against PX Management,

PX Management treats all it pilots equally, ..equally bad!!

As a simple and one off example, Cadets with 7 + years of servitude are now being given their commands on B scale salaries, due to being deemed to be new employees:ugh:.

So this discussion is not about what is inevitable since 1976, it is about industrial relations.

And to those that insinuate that the PX pilot group will take issue with new hires taking "B" scale job. Well, that is just absolute crap, the PX pilot body is one of the most all encompassing groups around, and to insinuate otherwise is just pure lunacy.

And whist I am no longer part of it (thankfully), I cannot sit back and make no comment on some of the crap that has been posted on this subject.

Industrial issues relating to pilots in PNG is fought with danger given the safety implications if any decision goes the wrong way for the pilots.

The sooner there is a resolution in the courts the better.

Wheelie, don't close this thread or ban people as all the contributors have a genuine vested interest, even if we do say some stupid things from time to time.

The wheels are turning slowly in the PNG court system. The hearing is delayed until.......................??

Industrial action
 

I think you must have hit a raw nerve.Dont mention the war.

Latest word from up North is you have to brown nose the EMFO to get a command on the F100.
Commands being given out of seniority with no bypass pay.
Also no letters saying why you were bypassed.
It only gets better. :ugh:

Latest word via Kundu is Supreme court case has been listed for the end of October for the long awaited decision.

On top of this another pilot who was terminated for not signing the new contract has commenced private proceedings against PX.

And those expats that have/are joining LINK PNG are definitely on B scale and are not being given a seniority number. New cadets do get a number.

I see they are advertising on seek for a gm

Supreme Court case is on today. Will be interesting to hear the result.

The result is that 3 Supreme Court judges heard final arguments from both parties and their decision will be handed down on 30 October.

As described to me, this court case was as a result of an appeal by Air Niugini against a decision by the PNG Courts that allowed the two separate Associations/Unions representing the Pilots of PX and one private person (pilot) to JOINTLY take action against PX.

That appeal by PX was apparently lost today with PX ordered to pay the costs.

The original matter will now proceed back to the original court with the three complainants continuing their proceedings in a joint action against PX.

Not over yet, but a win on the board it would seem.

Older dude may know more.

Good luck guys.

So the moderator can be a internet bully when someone says something he personally doesn't like? As I read geeup's post, it is a valid observation, if the remarks hit close to home, get some thicker skin. I find pilots under cutting pilots for B-scale wages to be reprehensible it damages us all and worldwide it will bring down T & C's. I have empathy for the rescue pilots but find another line to support your families trust me PX cares nothing for you.

If you don't like it maybe being a mod on the Professional Pilots RUMOR Network is not for you.

G'day Jobear, hope everything is going well for you. Tend to agree with you, however I think most outside of PNG would be ill-informed as to what is actually going on up there at the moment which is why these pilots are taking the B scale contract to the detriment of all existing crew. As you would know 74 have left and more to go...things are pretty grim at the moment.

Another go pinis on the Vista rooftop with some more resignations just put in.

Seniority is out the window with new commands being out of seniority and no letter of explanation as to why you miss out. And naturally no bypass pay.

Not a happy camp at the moment.

2 more direct entry F/O's on the fokker, level B

The long legal battle continues with the Christmas break coming up.

Now each crew member is required to chech each others validity of ASIC, Company ID, Pilot Licence, Passport, Medical and Visas before flight and sign a checklist before commencing flight duties.

Seems like the company is incapable of keeping track of these basic details and will blame the operating crew if they do not meet currency.

Begs the question - what will happen to the operating crew if they do not check each others currency - another reason to get rid of someone?

NEVER, NOT IN PX!

And when all the pilots are gone the little treasures up at Ang haus will scratch their heads and say "Sh!t who do we blame now":ugh:

As usual, the guys at the coal face are maintaining the standards, :ok:while the procrastination continues in the tangfu tower.
While all Document holders have an individual responsibility to keep themselves current and legal etc., the Company, as a Certificated Organisation / AOC holder, has an even bigger obligation and responsibility to monitor and keep track of their operating personnel. This being one of the functions of their Quality and Safety Assurance / Safety Management System.
To see such blatant management abrogation:= of this fundamental requirement really begs the question as to who is 'checking the checkers', from the regulatory area and through the AOC holder.
It was a far superior and more competently manned and managed Organisation in the past. Em tasol.

So what is King Julien's role in all of this?

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Stumbled over this Airline pays K20m dividend | The National

Hearing rumours that a new General Manager has been appointed at Link PNG.

Ret Sabala, where are you working these days??????

So the pay rise (1.7%) is due but those on B scale will not get it yet. Contract anomaly???

King Julien once told me that "annual" doesn't mean every year, when I queried why my increment hadn't come thru.

I offered to buy him a dictionary.

Why should the airport be re-vitalized at a cost of 20 Million?

It, as we know, would be for naught, it is not a good place to stopover for fuel/food or lodging the ATC sucks bad and walking out of the terminal is worse than when I was in Kabul or Baghdad. Love the Island but the corupption and the politicians have ruined any chance of PNG every taking the big step forward not matter how much AUSAID they get.

The legal wheels turn slowly in PNG but turn they do! Court case is pending and should commence in February. Legal Eagles meeting with pilots now. Let the games begin.

A long road ahead.

Mid February into the National Court for a hearing, then filing of statements of claim, followed by a directions hearing from which a trial date is to be set.

Expected finalisation of the trial and a decision no later than June.

But it is PNG after all so nothing is certain.

Good luck guys.

Latest memo from the company says that posting of photos where company uniform has been worn and is clearly visible in social media postings (ie Facebook) will be subject to disciplinary, action including termination.

Must be a bit worried about their reputation maybe??

Or concerned the truth will come out??

Any truth a PX Fokker was recently used as an "air cart" to start a 737NG, ..... Gossip mill reckons success for the 737 start :ok:, but not so good for the poor old Fokker "air cart" :eek:.

NCD (post 197) my sources have confirmed that your suspicions are true. Start date at this point in time is unknown.

Might cause a bit of anguish with a newly won contract or two as word is they changed providers to get away from said new GM of Link PNG.

Some of the Link troops are not very happy at all.

As for the Fokker story, yet to get confirmation.

Would that be the contract to go into the lik lik ples balus long hela?

I heard the same from a reliable source.

The air cart rumour mentioned above is no longer a rumour. It is now confirmed.

As is a management proposed single engine ferry of a F100 from Honiara to Port Moresby. Luckily it was vetoed by the fleet manager who at the time was out of country.

A thin white line..............

Thanks Olderairhead,

Guess the single engine ferry would fit it nicely with the Value Enhancement Programme, 10% saving in fuel to be sure....Oh, but maybe offset a little by the Rolls Royce Tay rebuild.

More on the VEP.

Without negotiation with either pilot body the board has cut DTA by 10% for up to 8 days and 15% for more than 8 days.

Want a hire car while away on business - then you need approval from the CEO.

Gotta pay for all the cancelled flights somehow I suppose.

Never heard of that trick before. Request amplification out of sheer curiosity. :D. Sound like the equivalent of the old Indian rope trick of starting a DC3. Wrap the rope around the spinner, attach the other end to a jeep and drive off. Failing the availability of a jeep, have ten strong men and true, with the chosen hero grabbing one prop blade. :ok:

Centaurus,
found an old Fokker 28 article on line (http://steemrok.com/nw%20san/nw%20f28)....
"there is provision for a 'buddy' start where both engines can be started from a second F.28 by means of connecting pipes. One Airline in Australia requires each of it aircraft to carry such a pile in the event of a rescue operation"

Sounds like a jet version of your Indian rope trick :).


@olderairhead.

HEADLINE: PX STAFF TO EAT 10-15% LESS TO HELP BOTTOM (LINE).
"BOOM BOOM" :E:E

Here is another link https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightP...20-%200697.PDF

Also awaiting answers from my PX contacts.