Last QF 767 passenger revenue flights December 27, 2014
 

The last flights of the 767 in passenger revenue service is now schedule for December 27, this year.

December 27
SYD-BNE
QF508 SYD0805 – 0835BNE 763
QF501 BNE0500 – 0735SYD 763
QF517 BNE0925 – 1200SYD 763

December 27
SYD-MEL
QF421 SYD0930 – 1105MEL 763
QF425 SYD1030 – 1205MEL 763
QF435 SYD1300 – 1435MEL 763
QF443 SYD1500 – 1635MEL 763
QF447 SYD1600 – 1735MEL 763

QF408 MEL0700 – 0825SYD 763
QF430 MEL1200 – 1325SYD 763
QF434 MEL1300 – 1425SYD 763
QF446 MEL1600 – 1725SYD 763
QF458 MEL1800 – 1925SYD 763

Always preferred flying on these over the 737 as a pax.

Yes, even if it was just for the overhead baggage space, they will be missed domestically.

Qantas are giving up a huge domestic commercial advantage over Virgin getting rid of the 767. Great pax appeal, dual isle, large overhead bins. Very silly move IMO.

New Tourist Attraction???
 

With them all parked up in Alice Springs maybe QF should market them as a new tourist attraction for the red centre...:E:E:E:E

There's more advantages than the overhead baggage space.

The thing that passengers hate most about flying is "The Dreaded Middle Seat". Every 6 abreast row on a B737 or A320 has two middle seats (B & E) whereas, every 7 abreast row on the B767 has only one middle seat so that means a lot less unhappy passengers.

The B763 is a lot better in turbulence than a B737.

The windows in the B767 are at a more comfortable height to view out than the B737.

The B767 cruises slightly faster and has less internal noise than a B737.

And when fitted with winglets they're pretty good on gas. Just ask Air NZ and they seem to be doing something right.

The 767 has been a true workhorse for Qantas, but they are all getting old and there are better airframes which can do the same job for less fuel-burn, and less maintenance, and make less noise whilst doing it as well. Still, Qantas will be changed forever once they are all gone.

Not having followed the recent history of Qantas lately, from what I read I am assuming they will be replaced by 737s, which would presumably be NG models.

However, I can't help wondering what the state of play for Qantas would be today if their fleet had been reconfigured a few years ago to a mix of 777-200LR, 777-300ER, replacement of the 767s by 787s, and a forward program to replace the NG 737s with 737 8 Max and 737 9 Max. Probably worth keeping the relatively few A380s for a bit longer, but definitely dispose of the 747-400s...the industry has changed and what worked ten years ago may not work well enough today. The A330s came very cheaply, so work 'em hard for a few more years then sell them off or part them out. Still, such a fleet for Qantas is only a pipe-dream, sadly.

I believe Pontius got his Pilate licence in one of these. Hope they go to a good home.
The Don

There may be, but unfortunately Qantas isn't getting any. :rolleyes:

The 767 is still the sweet spot for size, wingspan and utility. Like its sister 757, the '67 can make money on a 1:20 sector or a 9 hour sector. Yes, it has outdated technology, aerodynamics and structural weight. The current replacement aircraft are not the droids you are looking for however. Maybe the 787, but it seems to be more akin to the 330: ideal for a two sector day, not eight.

All of that aside, if you were to re-invent the 767 for Australian east coast service it would look just like the Bullet Train.

But in 737 land,,,,,,,,Apparently if you squeeze the rear dunny, offer two wafer biscuits per passenger so as to cut down rear galley space, you can fit another 6 seats in, (bean counters think almost 767 numbers:ugh:)
Don't mention the extra 15 mins you require for everyone to try a store their legal baggage allowance, And for god's sake, lets not mention the freight!

The smartest guys in the room. Don't worry, they will tell you!

Not to be picky, but there isn't even one QF 767 parked in Alice Springs. There are 3 Tiger Airbuses there though, and 1 737 from Our Airline (i think). :)

What is happening to the Tech Crews?

It depends on their seniority. Some Captains are off to the A380 a couple to the 744, more to the A330, a handful to the 737 in Adelaide, and the majority are becoming F/Os on the A380 with a couple becoming F/Os on the 744 (their choice rather than the A380).

The F/Os are in similar circumstances. Not sure if any of them are off to the A380 as F/Os though. I don't think any current 767 F/O has seniority for the A380 as an F/O though I could be wrong. A few to the A330 because they have the seniority- some of them to different bases than currently, some to the 737. Majority into the backseat of the A380 with a couple electing to go to the 744 as S/Os instead of the A380.

I'd be checking Flight Radar at around 0830 tomorrow morning Spelunker
I hear there are some Big Jets bound for Alice Airport.

The closest aircraft to the 767/757 with modern technology that can handle multiple daily cycles and fit into standard domestic bays is the A321. QF have the ability to get plenty A321NEOs with their large JQ Airbus order, some of which are probably no longer required. Maybe we will see these replacing the 738s on MEL-SYD-BNE in the next few years.

Well, maybe one......OGR.

Next after that is OGN, about 28th or 29th Sept.

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You forgot target ZERO & 35 minute turnarounds plus the extra seats, oh yes, that's going to work! /s.

Domestic is heading towards a Low Cost Carrier dressed up in premium drag.

Last QF 767 passenger revenue flights December 27, 2014
 

Heading towards? There is nothing premium about QF domestic. A cookie and a coke? A cold breakfast on a BN - DN flight?

Don't forget the B767 caused a nice little recruiting drive for pilots as well.
Much movement in the industry, was created as everyone moved from instructing to charter jobs.
Tonight on 60 mins a story on a B767 being ferried to the boneyard in the states.

You haven't flown domestically in the States or Europe, have you?

A drink, some food and a few frequent flyer points now equate to "premium", as sad as that is...

There is indeed a Q 767 at Alice now. Wasn't there when I posted last time, then when I was in Alice the next day (Friday) it was. Looked like it had just flown in too. :)

It makes me a little melancholy to see this :(. I hired into Boeing as a fresh face straight out of college to work the "7X7" and "7N7" projects - which morphed into the 767 and 757, respectively - and spent the early part of my career working the 767. First time I ever felt 'old' was when I read an article about a airline that was looking to "replace it's aging fleet of 767s" :uhoh:.


Operators really liked the 767 - they would fly a long time with not a lot of maintenance (there are many 100,000+ hour 767s out there still flying). While the 767-400ER was a major flop, I still wonder if there is a good market for a re-engine 767...:rolleyes:

Market for a re-engined 767?
The -300 is back in production courtesy of a freighter mob plus US defense force orders I think you'll find.

Sad to see OGG's last flight into Victorville on 60 Minutes tonight. Been delivered from A to B safely on many occasions thanks to this 767 and her sisters.

Yes a good story by 60 minutes.

Some thought though:---
all female crew? Setup for the story I'll bet. :ugh:
Why didn't they let Charles sit in a jump seat for takeoff and landing? Qantas rules I'll bet :rolleyes:
Ordered 140 new Aircraft to replace them???? Who for? Certainly not Qantas!!:=

You posed three questions.
Yes. There is more background to this but not for public discourse- at least by me anyway. Others may have the info from their sources.
Australian law. With a film crew on board I think the flight changes from PVT to CHRTR. Thus the standard flight deck access stuff applies.
Note the word of the word 'group'. Thus Jetstar, QLink, Jetconnect, etc. Mainline is down in gross airframes from previous highs. Not 100% sure of exact numbers but mainline is much smaller than it was a couple of years back.

Keg, I'm sure those airframes at Victorville are all completely written down to nil in the accounts. How do they monetise them from there? Do they attempt to sell them, part them out or scrap them? Who's involved in the sale process?

I must have been watching a different 60 minutes because i thought it was almost cringeworthy. Charles barely managed to ask an insightful question and the captain barely gave an insightful answer. :yuk:

Read this rubbish at your peril...the 767 is variously described at a 767, 787 and a 737 ( featuring a photo of a747). Can't these people get anything correct. And then there is the comment that they are replacing the 767s with 787s:ugh:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-767s-die.html

Cheer-up,
Some of the 767s are going to fly with WestJet. (And getting winglets possibly!):cool:
Doubtful that RR powered 747s would fly again but you might be surprised what they bring in parts and scrap.:8

QF 767's to Auckland
 

I have many fond memories of QF 76's (and 74's for that matter) crossing the Tasman to Auckland on a regular basis.

I recall that at least one would overnight in Auckland and occasionally could be seen in the circuit late at night.

Anecdotes from ATC at the time were that the crews of these training flights were highly professional and very cooperative when asked to sequence with the scheduled traffic.

Sad to see them go.

You're right. It was an advertorial. They should given a set of steak knives as well. No tricky questions. He didn't even ask the pilot what she was going to do in the future.

1A I'm glad you agree. On the other hand, apart from a mile away that you could see it was a complete set up regarding the 4 female tech crew I thought it was great to see. It's images like that, that young female pilots need to see to let them know that they are equal to the men in this industry

A next gen 767 with new fuel efficient engines would come awfully close to the seat per mile cost structure of the 787, I don't think Boeing will do that!

Winglets
 

So many 767s around with winglets and refurb.

Flew in a refurbed United one, very nice even in cattle.

Surely all the airlines throwing winglets on must know something?

Too innovative for Q?

On long flights yes the winglets will make a difference but on the shorter routes BN-SY-MEL which the 767 are primarily being used on it will not have the same effect. The extra weight of the winglets will not be offset by a reduction in fuel burn.

Yes Chocks, I'm fully aware of that - I'm still working 767 (along with the 747). Technically the -300 was never 'out' of production (most 767s produced over the last 10 years have been -300), although the 767-2C (aka USAF tanker) is -200 length. But there aren't any passenger 767s currently on order, and the FedEx and USAF tanker only work out to a plane or two a month (granted for many years).
Dominican - 787 is quoted ~20 less direct operating costs relative to a 767, roughly evenly split between the engines and the rest of the airplane (mainly weight) - a re-engine 767 could only get about half that unless they did a major overhaul to the wing.
We did a brief study of putting the GEnx on the 767 for the USAF tanker - but weight was a killer - the new big fan engines have much better fuel burn, but those big fans are HEAVY - a GEnx-2B (747-8) underwing weight is up well over a ton relative to the CF6-80C2 (less fuel offload for the typical mission).:eek:
787 is optimized for longer range - I'm wondering if a 767 re-engine would be better targeted as a 757 replacement. Mid range, less than 250 passengers, twin aisle makes for quicker turns relative to single aisle, aside from the engines it could be relatively cheap to build and if anyone cares anymore it's way more comfortable. The biggest issue I see is it would need a ~50k-55k engine, and there really isn't anything readily available in that thrust class that's 'new'.

Friggen spare me!!!

Hey Jack, least they used a Qantas crew!

Wonder some management guru didn't, work out that it would be cheaper to train up a JQ crew on the 767 to do the ferry flight's!

What was the original thinking of QF management, to go with the B767, was it to open up routes that were too thin to support the B747?

Perhaps we could get a list going of all the domestic and international ports the B767 has served?