You haven't flown domestically in the States or Europe, have you?

A drink, some food and a few frequent flyer points now equate to "premium", as sad as that is...

There is indeed a Q 767 at Alice now. Wasn't there when I posted last time, then when I was in Alice the next day (Friday) it was. Looked like it had just flown in too. :)

It makes me a little melancholy to see this :(. I hired into Boeing as a fresh face straight out of college to work the "7X7" and "7N7" projects - which morphed into the 767 and 757, respectively - and spent the early part of my career working the 767. First time I ever felt 'old' was when I read an article about a airline that was looking to "replace it's aging fleet of 767s" :uhoh:.


Operators really liked the 767 - they would fly a long time with not a lot of maintenance (there are many 100,000+ hour 767s out there still flying). While the 767-400ER was a major flop, I still wonder if there is a good market for a re-engine 767...:rolleyes:

Market for a re-engined 767?
The -300 is back in production courtesy of a freighter mob plus US defense force orders I think you'll find.

Sad to see OGG's last flight into Victorville on 60 Minutes tonight. Been delivered from A to B safely on many occasions thanks to this 767 and her sisters.

Yes a good story by 60 minutes.

Some thought though:---
all female crew? Setup for the story I'll bet. :ugh:
Why didn't they let Charles sit in a jump seat for takeoff and landing? Qantas rules I'll bet :rolleyes:
Ordered 140 new Aircraft to replace them???? Who for? Certainly not Qantas!!:=

You posed three questions.
Yes. There is more background to this but not for public discourse- at least by me anyway. Others may have the info from their sources.
Australian law. With a film crew on board I think the flight changes from PVT to CHRTR. Thus the standard flight deck access stuff applies.
Note the word of the word 'group'. Thus Jetstar, QLink, Jetconnect, etc. Mainline is down in gross airframes from previous highs. Not 100% sure of exact numbers but mainline is much smaller than it was a couple of years back.

Keg, I'm sure those airframes at Victorville are all completely written down to nil in the accounts. How do they monetise them from there? Do they attempt to sell them, part them out or scrap them? Who's involved in the sale process?

I must have been watching a different 60 minutes because i thought it was almost cringeworthy. Charles barely managed to ask an insightful question and the captain barely gave an insightful answer. :yuk:

Read this rubbish at your peril...the 767 is variously described at a 767, 787 and a 737 ( featuring a photo of a747). Can't these people get anything correct. And then there is the comment that they are replacing the 767s with 787s:ugh:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-767s-die.html

Cheer-up,
Some of the 767s are going to fly with WestJet. (And getting winglets possibly!):cool:
Doubtful that RR powered 747s would fly again but you might be surprised what they bring in parts and scrap.:8

QF 767's to Auckland
 

I have many fond memories of QF 76's (and 74's for that matter) crossing the Tasman to Auckland on a regular basis.

I recall that at least one would overnight in Auckland and occasionally could be seen in the circuit late at night.

Anecdotes from ATC at the time were that the crews of these training flights were highly professional and very cooperative when asked to sequence with the scheduled traffic.

Sad to see them go.

You're right. It was an advertorial. They should given a set of steak knives as well. No tricky questions. He didn't even ask the pilot what she was going to do in the future.

1A I'm glad you agree. On the other hand, apart from a mile away that you could see it was a complete set up regarding the 4 female tech crew I thought it was great to see. It's images like that, that young female pilots need to see to let them know that they are equal to the men in this industry

A next gen 767 with new fuel efficient engines would come awfully close to the seat per mile cost structure of the 787, I don't think Boeing will do that!

Winglets
 

So many 767s around with winglets and refurb.

Flew in a refurbed United one, very nice even in cattle.

Surely all the airlines throwing winglets on must know something?

Too innovative for Q?

On long flights yes the winglets will make a difference but on the shorter routes BN-SY-MEL which the 767 are primarily being used on it will not have the same effect. The extra weight of the winglets will not be offset by a reduction in fuel burn.

Yes Chocks, I'm fully aware of that - I'm still working 767 (along with the 747). Technically the -300 was never 'out' of production (most 767s produced over the last 10 years have been -300), although the 767-2C (aka USAF tanker) is -200 length. But there aren't any passenger 767s currently on order, and the FedEx and USAF tanker only work out to a plane or two a month (granted for many years).
Dominican - 787 is quoted ~20 less direct operating costs relative to a 767, roughly evenly split between the engines and the rest of the airplane (mainly weight) - a re-engine 767 could only get about half that unless they did a major overhaul to the wing.
We did a brief study of putting the GEnx on the 767 for the USAF tanker - but weight was a killer - the new big fan engines have much better fuel burn, but those big fans are HEAVY - a GEnx-2B (747-8) underwing weight is up well over a ton relative to the CF6-80C2 (less fuel offload for the typical mission).:eek:
787 is optimized for longer range - I'm wondering if a 767 re-engine would be better targeted as a 757 replacement. Mid range, less than 250 passengers, twin aisle makes for quicker turns relative to single aisle, aside from the engines it could be relatively cheap to build and if anyone cares anymore it's way more comfortable. The biggest issue I see is it would need a ~50k-55k engine, and there really isn't anything readily available in that thrust class that's 'new'.

Friggen spare me!!!

Hey Jack, least they used a Qantas crew!

Wonder some management guru didn't, work out that it would be cheaper to train up a JQ crew on the 767 to do the ferry flight's!

What was the original thinking of QF management, to go with the B767, was it to open up routes that were too thin to support the B747?

Perhaps we could get a list going of all the domestic and international ports the B767 has served?