Other visitors show MSIC (M for maritime) card at gate some actually sign in but certainly no scanners in sight. No AQIS on site, Customs come and go.

I have an ASIC and an MSIC; same paperwork submitted, same checks etc but MSIC valid for 5 years and the cost is half that of an ASIC.

:mad:

Sorry, but an MSIC is no where near as sexy as an ASIC to Customs and Border protection dudes who don't get off on asserting authority over merchant mariners as much as airline types .There is usually no one around from the general public to witness the charade and to boost their egos.

You're just cranky the Customs (sorry...Border Force) guy has more stripes on his shirt than you!

Shouldn't say it, but once upon a time I let an ex-girlfriend look after a 744F. No security, nothing, just because I'd probably vetted her better than them. Tulla BTW

Some years ago I was in a meeting with a Goverment under Secretary and the expert's, "yes the unknown quantity and the drips under pressure" from Aviation Security in Canberra. They wanted to know how we regarded their new aviation Security rules. The chief pilot commented you give my pilots an ASIC and do every check under the sun before they can get it then you lock them in the flight deck behind an armoured door so no one can get at them. We put them in charge of a million dollar aircraft and trust them to fly it and now you want to go through security and humiliate my pilots. The answer was its all to do with public perception nothing to do with Security what a joke. I made the statement what about the Engineers or catering staff who arrive at work jump in the truck or van and off they go down to the Aircraft backwards a forward no Security. The answer was watch this space I am still watching its a joke.:confused::confused:

Until this is addressed, everything else is a waste of time, completely.
Until it is addressed, every single x ray and explosives swab and pat down is a waste of money. Every security professional ( that's professional) knows this.
It's pretty basic stuff.....something about water and path of least resistance.

Framer your right and what about the Jet verses Turbo Prop you can fly on a 70 seat Turbo Prop And no Security but if it's a 70 seat Jet then it's all on full security.

Pianokeys, I think you better check your version of the ATSRs as your copy is about 2 yrs out of date.

Jet propulsion is no longer the trigger for screening. It is now MTOW with 20,000kg being the magic figure.

I made the basic mistake of having a 1/2" combination spanner in my backpack recently--"no, I'm not going out there to join the check-in queue, always do it online"-- in the bin:( Such a dangerous piece of equipment.

I've had a pax get through security with 3x chef knifes, ranging from 6-10" long, wrapped in a x-Ray proof tea towel apparently.

Super safe :ok:

WTF
 

"X-ray proof tea towel" WTF

x-Ray proof tea towel
 

oooohhh, can I get a jockstrap made from that?????

Maybe I gave our security brothers to much credit, the knifes were wrapped in a tea towel and weren't seen/picked up in the x-Ray machine. Therefore x-Ray proof.