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sunnySA 26th May 2014 14:15

NSEU

arrival crew not there to switch on the guidance system
If I had a $ for each time an aircraft arrived at a gate and there was a problem (gate not ready) then I'd be very rich.

Wonder whether ATSB will investigate this one in some detail.

SKS777FLYER 26th May 2014 14:25

A little bondo, some speed tape.......replace those nuts on the jet bridge support the engine ate with some plastic ones for next time ...... Good to go .

thegypsy 26th May 2014 14:47

A visit to the 4th Floor beckons:rolleyes:

Capt Groper 26th May 2014 18:56

AGNIS or similar lead guidance needs aerobridge logic incorporated.
 
Lead in guidance needs aerobridge status positioning coordination before being illuminated as clear to proceeded. A simple software upgrade would avoid this same incident/accident.
As a training Capt I have always advised to check visually that the aerobridges are parked in their parking circles and also elevated to a high positions.

I have approached parking positions on several occasions and communicated to my crew that the bridges are not in their correct position. Recently at a major Airport I stopped short as not happy with what I saw. After parking the ground staff said that they were glad that I had stopped short as the previous dispatcher had parked the aerobridge in an incorrect position. We would have had a collision if not being aware of the threat. No Tea and Biscuits on this occasion and with less than 5 yrs after 35 yrs aviation experience I hope it never happens. My advice to the new Captains always err on the side of caution , especially on the A 380 whilst taxiing, our greatest threat.

A healthy suspicion, after 30+ years of wide body experience. Don't trust anybody.

Capt Groper

AussieNick 26th May 2014 19:26


Only three targets I can think of:

(1) - The marshaller, if there was one.

(2) - The team responsible for calibrating the guidance, if it was switched on.

(3) - The Captain of the aeroplane, if (1) and (2) don't apply.

Looks to be (3), based upon the report.


As for 'that'll polish out' etc, remind me not to let any of you work on our cars. 'Bits' have passed through the rotating engine and the engine attachment (shear) pins and a lot of the engine structure will have been (maybe shock) loaded to an unknown extent.
Add a 4th to your list, Aerobridge not positioned correctly. I can remember having to halt an aircraft coming into bay early when marshalling after noticing the aerobridge was not staged correctly.

Blingwad 26th May 2014 20:34

It's Alan Joyce's fault

Sump Monkey 26th May 2014 21:41

All Sydney NIGS systems have air bridge position logic. The guidance system won't activate if any of the airbridges are out of their safe staging positions. It will show a red 'BR IN' warning if any bridges are not in this correct position.

But it seems the aircraft taxied on to the bay with the guidance system off, so no protection would have been available from NIGS. I also believe there was no one marshalling the aircraft, so that doesn't leave too many options for finger pointing...

king spotter 26th May 2014 22:22

There should have been a red light on bridge.
Adding to that, the guidance system would have been either off, ERR or BR IN, it seems that taxi on to bay should not have been attempted.

Having said that it has been noted in the past that other persons, other than those authorized, to arrive A/C at the gate. Doing so in the absence of those who are authorized.

AEROMEDIC 26th May 2014 23:22

King Spotter,

Any more info on that?

Chocks Away 27th May 2014 03:25

"...it seems that taxi onto the bay should not have been attempted" -King Spotter. :ok: Yep and Groper's advice is spot-on the money!
The Townsville refueler tells me... Air-bridges were parked on their red spots, "Captain taxied in before engineers set up the guidance light & overshot"

mates rates 27th May 2014 03:28

Tic toc tic toc.......

Hempy 27th May 2014 04:54


Originally Posted by mates rates (Post 8494644)
Tic toc tic toc.......


As we all know, in Aviation Safety nothing changes until something tragic occurs
It's 'affordable safety'. Only one airline is going to face the class action and burnt reputation, so the rest of the industry has saved, or even profited, in the long run. They are happy to play the odds, even if they are approaching red numbers.

The The 27th May 2014 04:58


All Sydney NIGS systems have air bridge position logic. The guidance system won't activate if any of the airbridges are out of their safe staging positions. It will show a red 'BR IN' warning if any bridges are not in this correct position.
Perhaps the crew thought "BR IN" meant "Bring it on In". Sounds like a joke, but perhaps "STOP" might be a better warning.

ExSp33db1rd 27th May 2014 05:24


.........so no protection would have been available from NIGS.
So it's alright to say NIGS again, is it ?

waren9 27th May 2014 05:26

there, but for the grace of….

after a long night i know just how easy this sort of thing could be. the trip back to sin for tea and bikkies will be a long one. poor buggers.

Capn Bloggs 27th May 2014 05:55


Originally Posted by Val from Pommie Land
As for 'that'll polish out' etc, remind me not to let any of you work on our cars.

Obviously not a follower of Uncle Rojer Bacon... :=

Hempy 27th May 2014 07:23

EnEyeGeeEss!

So what have they done with it?

ExSp33db1rd 27th May 2014 09:38


........after a long night i know just how easy this sort of thing could be
.

Almost did the same myself at Bombay one night, just stopped in time. First guy on the flight deck was a uniformed airport "hofficial", who said "The lead in lights were on, not our fault " Never said it was, I replied, but you have a gang of guys down there watching, and not one had the sense to at least cross his arms at me ! ( i.e. manual STOP signal )

Buckshot 27th May 2014 10:08


after a long night i know just how easy this sort of thing could be. the trip back to sin for tea and bikkies will be a long one. poor buggers.
Are all the SQ trips to oz two crew?

Brisbane Sinner 27th May 2014 14:14

I'd be interested to see how much 'stopping energy' was applied to that engine and it's pylon. Sure, the aircraft would be creeping up to its stop line but I'm sure the captain would be looking elsewhere for steering and stopping guidance than his No.2 engine.
The reasons why or why didn't you, have probably been thrashed out already. Like I say, I'd be curious to be a fly on the wall when the calculations are made as to how, where and how much the repairs take.


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