next virgin blue ?
 

timing is now perfect for another new lower cost player to enter the Australian market . could someone like lion air now ove into space being abandoned by qf both international ly & domestically ? for domestic all they would have to do would be tink up with a nzl or oz carrier & call it whatever maybe not lion air. they could call it Australian & be more Australian than 1/2 pregnant qf.

Never going to happen until we build more airports

could call fill the ever growing qantas void . must be a few airlines in Asia thinking qf is stuffed & could move into a lucrative space easily with a few Australians apparently running the show. just like branson pre ansett collapse .

Both major carriers announce a loss and you say that another low cost airline should enter the market? Pure genius!

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no a lower cost, not low cost. not hard to be lower cost than qf & va .

5000 taking a 100% pay cut at qf in 1st cull alone .

there's a much bigger game in play here.

around 2000 many qf + an staff laughed at branson. ok in retrospect his timing was perfect.

so we now know the 1st cull alone at qf is 5000, what about next announcement ?

qf cannot give everything to jq. va Will laugh all the way to the bank !

Sure, let Lion in. The we'll have the first jet fatal. Get it out of the way, and the present incumbents won't have to worry about being first. Win/Win, eh? You seem to be equating 5000 job losses with drastically cut routes, etc. Won't happen. Many of those job cuts will be taken up by contractors, ie, outsourcing. The domestic side won't be changing much and if you think either VA(Tiger) or QF(Jetstar) will just hand **** over to an outside competitor, then you're more delusional than Joyce is.

Time and time again BNEA320, you show you really have no idea.

let's face it qf Will keep shrinking & va Will keep growing .

qf Will hold onto golden triangle as long as possible + per. only difference between an & qf is qf Will die slowly . va Will grow fat & LAZY LIKE QF has . history repeating

qf cutbacks don't solve huge problem of very overpaid staff . cannot see qf staff willing to multi task

"Cannot see"....... And that , grasshopper, is why you fail. You surely cannot.

I've just figured it out...BNEA320 is actually everyone's favourite "aviation expert" Geoffrey Thomas.

The attacks on 'overpaid' QF staff and general level of stupidity in everything that is written point to one man...GT!

Suggest you look at Alan Kohlers report on the Airline duopolpy and see how much money is on the table for profit.

QF and VA have flooded the market with so much capacity there is nothing left to profit from. Any airline, low cost or not will head for the door when they see the money being tipped in to maintain market share. It was openly believed that VA would have hit the wall if it didn't receive the capital raising from its three single biggest shareholders. That money was essential to purchasing a low cost competitor to meet the Jetstar threat at the leisure end of the market.

If another Low cost carrier stepped into the Australian market, which airline do you think they will be cheaper than? Any route they try and establish themselves on will only be met with competition from TT and JQ.

How much lower will their cost be than the established low cost incumbents?

If the taxi trip costs more to the airport than the airfare then better to buy your kids a taxi license instead of a pilots license . . Taxi drivers will be on more money and better business .

Pilots? Borghetti himself has said the cost of QF v DJ shorthaul 737 pilots is less than 5%. One side forced to take a few pay freezes whilst the other gets a few pay rises. Won't take long even the playing field on that front.

Engineers? According to ALEA, Virgin pay rates higher.

Cabin Crew? What reduced pay scale are they up to now for QF? More casuals on the way?

Ground services? QF already outsourcing to lowest bidder

Management? Now there's one.

You must surely jest. That operator has an appalling accident record.:ugh:

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't both VA and QF domestic make a profit. VA about $25M and QF $57M. This is the main section of the company that the rest revolves around. The losses came from all the other sections of the company.

In 14 years the following airlines have tried and failed on their own;

Impulse: needed QF to save them and turn them into Jetstar
Tiger:needed VA to save them and rebranded as Tigerair
Ozjet: failed
Skyairworld: failed
Strategic/ Air Australia: failed

Guess you started following airlines after the Ansett collapse,
Not to mention Compass MK1&2

Been involved in Airlines way prior to the Ansett collapse. My post was about NEW start up jet operations since 2000 that failed. It wasn't a list containing All the airlines that have failed in Australia.