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Lookleft 9th Mar 2021 00:11

Going to work was always something to look forward to. No invasive security, no issues with the cabin because experienced flight attendants took care of things and flying with pilots who knew the job. No STARs and ridiculous profiles just 300 kts to 3000' and direct tracking. I don't recall that we had issues that are more prevalent now like misset QNH and cockups on visual approaches. Good luck to the next generation coming through and I am not being sarcastic.

HillpigSmytheIII 9th Mar 2021 00:14

FS: in a magnificient flying machine!

HillpigSmytheIII 9th Mar 2021 00:20

`just 300kts to 3,00''?

350kts plus to 1500' was the correect procedure rolling out of the turn in the landing configuration at 300-400' ensuring 40%N1 is set!

georgetw 9th Mar 2021 03:04


Originally Posted by greybeard (Post 11004210)
Another Like Button.
55 years ago, you know, yesterday it feels like, my Company's Managing Director and founder (retired) would meet most aircraft at the airport, call me by my Christian name and it was polite to pass him an unused Newspaper from the Aircraft.
He could have remembered my name, but as I was very new???, but he had found out and used it.

I can vouch for the above comments, the golden age pre accountants, HR, Poo%$#s, and Hostesses who knew who and what they were and made great use of the differences.

The best has long gone.

That was landing at Broome and the gentleman was waiting for the paper. In 1966 I was based at Derby and he arrived at the base for lunch. A great man.

Flava Saver 9th Mar 2021 06:25

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1d4d8a074.jpeg
Would still love to know why some 737’s and 727’s had the black ring on the nose, and some didn’t.

Capt Fathom 9th Mar 2021 09:41

Nice shot at Hamilton Island... when it had just one parking bay.

Capt Fathom 9th Mar 2021 09:53

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5ab8eb647.jpeg
First service or first 767 into Hamilton Island. Large welcoming committee in front of the terminal and Joh’s 125 centre stage!

601 9th Mar 2021 13:28


If I may have a final 'boomer moment', boy did we have fun flying the best aeroplanes ever built!
Yes from using a matchbox as a distance measure on a WAC to using satellites thousands of miles away that gives the accuracy of the length of a matchbox.


First service
Well not the first aeroplane. I am afraid that probably went the Islander when the strip was a gravel strip between the channel and Crab Bay.


Joh’s 125
I am not sure that is the Joh Jet. I am sure that all the Qld State Gov aircraft had a Queensland State Flag on the fin.

kikatinalong 9th Mar 2021 19:17

RE the black ring on the noses of some 72s, 73s and I've also seen it on a few 75s. Years ago I was told that it had something to do with aircraft equipped with VLF Omega. Apparently the antenna was mounted near the radar and it was used to avoid attenuation.

Kika

By George 9th Mar 2021 20:08

The VLF Omega would drop out in heavy rain. The Department of Changing Names were most concerned and insisted on dual Omega for any Pacific flights. A couple of the aeroplanes were subsequently fitted out with two units. Off we went into the blue and when in heavy rain they both failed.

I was told by a man in a white coat it was something to do with the 'H' type field antenna. All you can do is smile in agreement and pretend you understand.

Dora-9 10th Mar 2021 05:44

"E" field (named after Ed Field?) and "H" field antennae. All the B737-200's were wired for dual Omegas but normally only carried one, unless you were doing Air Vauatu or Polynesian flights. Supposedly you had one of each antennae with dual Omegas. I thought it was icing, rather than rain, that buggered the signal, George.

By George 10th Mar 2021 06:57

You could be right Dora-9, but for some reason I thought it was heavy rain. I remember being with PK on the way to VLI and we lost the Omega. I was swearing like a trooper trying to get the bloody things to work again, being in the middle of nowhere. It was not until weeks later I learnt PK was very religious. I felt very bad about that, but to his credit he didn't hold it against me.
At the time the local aviation press hailed the 737-200AV as 'the first computerised aircraft in Australia'. Laughable now when you think of that mickey mouse PDCS and the limitations of the Omega.

Dora-9 10th Mar 2021 21:28


Laughable now when you think of that mickey mouse PDCS and the limitations of the Omega.
But how about that wonderful FD110 ADI that was so big that you could sit inside it?

Not that I'd ever swear (ahem), but I also discovered that just plain shouting/begging/bursting into tears at the Omegas didn't work either! Nandi - Hilo (all 7:30 of it), with the Omegas in DR mode for 4 hours...

601 11th Mar 2021 07:20


Not that I'd ever swear (ahem), but I also discovered that just plain shouting/begging/bursting into tears at the Omegas didn't work either! Nandi - Hilo (all 7:30 of it), with the Omegas in DR mode for 4 hours...
You obviously got there?

Capt Fathom 11th Mar 2021 09:11

Lots of radio stations on the Hawaiian Islands! ADF’s do come in handy on occasions!

Dora-9 11th Mar 2021 09:29


Lots of radio stations on the Hawaiian Islands! ADF’s do come in handy on occasions!
Of course, once within range the Omegas woke up again.

Retired Mobi LAME 11th Mar 2021 20:04


Originally Posted by Dora-9 (Post 11005528)
"E" field (named after Ed Field?) and "H" field antennae. All the B737-200's were wired for dual Omegas but normally only carried one, unless you were doing Air Vauatu or Polynesian flights. Supposedly you had one of each antennae with dual Omegas. I thought it was icing, rather than rain, that buggered the signal, George.

We're going back in time now. The 737-200 may have used the ADF Sense Antenna which was moulded into the aft wing to fuselage fairing as the VLF/Omega antenna. On the 727-200 it definitely used the ADF Sense Antenna which was a fairing aft of the MLG bay. Oil, dirt and crap from that bay caused no end of problems on the B727.

Pinky the pilot 12th Mar 2021 01:40


ADF’s do come in handy on occasions!
Indeed! Once spent about two hours in the middle of the night listening to some great 50's and 60's Rock 'n Roll whilst ferrying a Chieftain over part of the GAFA.:ok:

Dora-9 12th Mar 2021 18:48


The 737-200 may have used the ADF Sense Antenna
Thank you. I've been desperately trying to remember just where the antennae were located - you comment rang a bell.

boaccomet4 5th Apr 2021 10:05

The Golden Era
 
Reading this thread brings back so many fond memories.
Can still remember my first ride in an airliner in 1958. Ansett-Ana Viscount from Sydney to the Gold Coast. A very formal affair where we all got dressed up to travel. The smell of kerosene as you boarded. The air hostesses in their smart navy blue airforce type uniforms.walking down the aisle with a basket of barley sugar. The scream of the 4 Rolls Royce Darts as you taxied out and tookoff. Then the hot roast meal served in the sky blue melamine dishes. Visiting the flight deck and exploring the aircraft.Then arriving at Coolangatta and being taken by the Ansett-Pioneer bus to the new Chevron Paradise Hotel at Surfers Paradise. From then on we used to travel there for most of our school holidays with both Ansett and TAA. These experiences are what got me hooked on becoming a pilot at a very early age.
Then the next experience was travelling First Class on a BOAC Comet 4 from Sydney to Auckland in 1964. The roar and howl of the 4 Rolls Royce Avons and the acceration and climb out was quite dramatic compared to the Viscount. Then being served several courses by a steward and hostess, fine china, table cloths, smoked salmon, oysters, roast lamb calved in front of you followed by desert and cheese platter. Was presented with a BOAC Junior Jetclub Logbook and wings. Visited the flight deck and it was quite noisy but upon venturing down the back of the aircraft the roar of the Avons was quite deafening.
We returned First Class in a Qantas Electra MK11 VH-ECC commanded by Captain Ashley Gay who was very hospitable when I visited the flight deck.. Breakfast menu in English and French.. The Electra was relatively quiet at the rear, where we were seated, but very noisy up near the props. Encountered some turbulence while i was waiting for a chocolate milk shake to be prepared the the poor young hostie in aqua blue uniform and hat got covered in chocolate quick powder much to the amusementnt of the male stewards. But those were the glory days when travel was expensive but you did it in style either First or Economy.
Would love to know if Captain Ashley Gay flew the QF Flying Boats before he went on to the Electra MK11.


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