I thinks it quite clear of their intended direction, Down the toilet and around the S bend.
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Waren 9

I hear that JH has first "dibs" on the 787-9.

which is what they shoulda got all along. the -800s should have gone to qf

Jayne Hrdlicka has not heard the old Aussie saying "Flogging a Dead Horse!" She is like all of them, out of her depth....:ugh:

I heard a deals been done for 30 789s with pilot training slots booked in Singapore until 2019.

I wonder who will be flying them.....

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha


As if. :(:(:(:(:sad:

All the senior folk in J* are still planning for the swap out of 787-8's for the 787-9's to enable more J* longhaul expansion. Hopefully not true, to be honest J* international should have been downsized as part of this review and the 787's given to Qantas to use properly on medium/longhaul high premium routes.

an order firmed up for the -900s would have been sung from the rooftops.

in the absence of that, myth busted i'd say.

SH has said that if the "Group" was to order any aircraft while it has the current level of debt, the share price would drop to 10c.

Don't expect any new aircraft (apart from A320's) for many years - reminds you of Ansett.

Or maybe they could use the 787 sim in MEL..

Many of you would be familiar with "TED" so here's a recent one regarding Why good leaders make you feel safe....

I hope I'm wrong but the public decision to shed pilots is probably indicative of a private decision re. future aircraft orders.

Jacknville.

Since when has QF ever made a rational decision on pilot numbers.

They should have made 200 pilots redundant in late 09 or early 10 but they didn't.

They are potentially offering VR now to reduce the short term training costs of a massive RIN.

With the amount of crew over 60 & potential retirements it's quite possible they will leave themselves short.

MC.

The systematic shutting down of mainline, has been compounded by a complete inability to run an airline - of any sort, low cost or full service.

They are bound to end up with incorrect crewing numbers. Why should it be any different to anything else they have stuffed up.

The demise of the airline has been accelerated, but hopefully there are still a few years left in the red rat. Slowly various departments and experienced people are being removed through VR. No doubt some needed a little push from their empires, but it is quite scary to think that some of the key areas are going. Therefore it is unlikely there will ever be any growth within QANTAS again.

Blue loo.

The stuff up in establishment numbers will be a certain.

They couldn't even get assigned leave right. They would assign crew to forced leave only to find themselves short.

They have conducted previous RIN's to then find themselves short.

What's happening within the Rat, is its actually becoming a very lean full service airline. The departure of full time support non operational staff is reducing costs.

A lot of the support services previously provided by full time staff are now being offloaded to a DIY service. One only needs to look at the DIY home transport booking services.

Check out CIS, its part DIY. Pilots have to now enter their own licence expiry details.

A small part of me, embedded deep inside the part of my grey matter that triggers my ability to gauge optimism. Is telling me once that wrecking ball named AJ is complete with his employee wagered slash and burn. That QF is ripe for a CEO with vision to exploit growth with new aircraft and reduced cost bases.

MC.

The only questios are how much damage he is capable of ,what will be left in the burnt carnage and who takes his place.

Bring it on soon I hope but history would say not.

Ohallen.

AJ's got till 2016 to either destroy the place in its entirety or attempt to turn the thing around.

He's declared the last 4 to 5 years his grand plan would turn QF around by 2016.

If he hasn't succeeded in his grand plan only a fool would continue to support him.

His position as CEO would be untenable past 2016 if he hasn't stemmed the losses.

MC

Word is longhaul is losing more money now than ever.

The (insert number here) pillar strategy isn't quite working to plan then?

Scheduling called a couple of weeks back hoping I'd help out with a SYD- MEL- SYD. I'd run out of regency the day before.

Earlier that day I'd phoned training scheduling to tee up a sim. No call back. I called them again the next day and they weren't aware I'd been released off sick leave and needed to do something. Had I not done the follow up I would have been removed from the next trip- paid. Yeah, those cut backs are working brilliantly.

Keg,

I agree with your sentiment. In some areas the degree of the cuts are that great, that it actually becomes less efficient or reliable an operation.

However, some of the "efficiencies" are long overdue (human costs aside)

The fact that QF were paying people (who weren't dispatchers) to arrange paper flight plans and Notams in a manila folder & staple them together was ludicrous.

How about Flight Crew writing the fuel order on a piece of paper and leaving it in the "in tray" so someone else could then phone an order to a third party.

One fleet manager now completing the work of two? The wheels haven't fallen off the operation has it? Aircraft are still flying.

Some of the inefficiencies around the joint have been laughable for years, but they weren't recognised cause they were "the norm"

ps: It's quite possible that the individual in training schedule had been made redundant the day before. I attempted to contact someone recently, only to find out they had "left the business"

MC