Troo believer = GET UP

Or, you could ask who gets the revenue from Jetstar pax who are reaccommodated on a QF flight...........

Who pays Jetstar's advertising budget?

Does it come from "Group Treasury"

Provide an itemised list of outgoings from Group Treasury

MC

Why do JQ staff pax duty business travel Sydney - Melbourne for scheduled training when JQ fly on the same city pair?

Why free up a seat for sale on JQ & take a J class seat otherwise available for sale on mainline ?

MC

What is the reason behind Qantas mainline purchasing aircraft that are then leased to Jetstar, particularly at a time when mainline has been capitally constrained?

What leasing costs do Jetstar pay for these aircraft? Is this an arm's length arrangement?

Why is it that Jetstar received the late penalty payments for the 787, yet when the aircraft arrived they were purchased by mainline to lease to Jetstar? Explain how this is typical of an arm's length transaction.

Dear Nassenstein,

Same old furphy yet again, as 600ft said over simplistic!

Jetstar, Virgin and Tiger have a large number of contract workers, so the actual number of say Virgin employees per aircraft, is not a valid comparison to Qantas employees per aircraft, as the majority of qantas employees are employed by Qantas, and are not contractors!

Get a grip who pays what guys.

At the end of the day it's all the same company so it doesn't matter at all. If Jetstar make money, it's included in the group profit. If Jetstar cost money it's covered from the profits of other entities. Vice versa with Qantas.

It's like seagulls squabbling over a stray chip at the beach.

Jetstar domestic is very profitable as is Qantas domestic historically. Jetstar international and Qantas both lose a bit, but are a necessary evil for domestic feed.

Such is aviation.

That's would be fine if joyce didn't use this cost shifting to justify the winding down of Qantas for industrial purposes.

Blueskyemine.

Could you offer to take a pay freeze over the next three years.

I'll take 3 * 3 * 3%

After all. It's just shifting money about.

I'll promise to spend all my pay rise too, I'll put it back into the local economy.


After all. It's just one big Australian Economy.

MC

We need 'likes' on this forum.

The point of my previous post was to highlight the disparity between JQ and QF staff to airframe ratios, using two full service international airlines of various sizes as yardsticks. I threw in Virgin as an afterthought, mainly because they are the main competition and have a mixed fleet of widebodies, narrowbodies and regionals, as well as a LCC.

I know Virgin & Tiger contract out work. Remember VA started life as a LCC like JQ claims to be. Even so, leaving Tiger out of the Virgin equation, yields 89 staff per airframe vs JQ 60 per airframe vs redtail 129 per airframe vs the yardstick of 105 per airframe.

Very would be a stretch, profitable, probably but not very atm..

Unfortunately its all about cost base and productivity.

Until the former comes down and the latter goes up, QF doesn't have a decent chance of competing anymore.

Here's hoping the plan becomes clearer ASAP.

Announcing cuts without specific details is a poor way to treat staff in any business, let alone in a high customer contact service industry.

Nassenstein.

The Qantas workforce quoted includes all the QF owned business's.

For example QF owns 'Snapfresh'.

I haven't seen a figure for the amount of people that work for the actual mainline airline component. It suits joyce not to quote this figure.

The total employee workforce also includes people who are on maternity leave. Due to the large amount of female flight attendants. There are hundreds of them on maternity leave at any given point in time.

I do however agree with you on the worker to supervisor ratio. At 2.1 to 1 its a joke.

MC.

FPVDUDE

So are the QF pilots going on about costings they can't prove.
I am not saying it is not happening but without proof:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Toolish, I understand exactly what you are saying, but how can these allegations
be investigated without forensic accounting of QF's books ?

As I have said before, to me it seems there is a direct relationship between the
growth of the Qantas Group and the apparent demise of Qantas International,
the parent company, if you like.

24 cans in a slab, 24 hours in a day ?? If it looks like a duck.....

Questioning the usual suspects during an inquiry I don't think will be very
gratifying, it's not like they are beacons of virtue. I believe that former
Qantas employees are the people to question.

As I have also said before, former QF CFO Collin Storie is a man of unquestionable integrity, I believe
he would make a very interesting witness.

If you are a Group Pilot, please don't think that LH/SH Pilots have it in for you, they don't.

We are all in this together.

Interested in becoming the Chairman of a multi billion dollar Airline.

Think you got what it takes?

Suitable applicants should be out to have fun, posses a degree of Naivety regarding the airline industry and should have travelled as a passenger at least a few times.

http://m.afr.com/p/business/companie...KsRwpIhep1RJyK

This is why these complete half wits cannot make money.

Jetstar:

Per to Mel $175

Mel to Ool $69

Cns to Bne $99

Want to increase profit without raping employees..... INCREASE airfares you inept clowns.

Yesty arvo went on a 15min taxi ride home after a few cups of tea at the local. F***ing $37.60 for a cab ride. This is a pretty standard rate at over $2 a min.

Moronic public "allegedly" demanding $40 or $60 airfares on a 1 or 2 hour flight, yet quite happy to pay $50 on a 25 min cab ride to airport. :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Ratpoison.

Joyce was asked post 27th Feb announcement what the restructure meant for consumers.

He stated. Cheaper fares.

Because like we got used to getting cheap flights we got used to being ripped off in a cab.

One industry has a shambolic management the other a well organised (almost cartel like) management.

One pays and treats the customer facing staff poorly the other doesn't (well didn't).

Sadly out of these lessons the only on Airlines are learning is to treat your staff like crap!