IMHO, the mood out there is against Joyce, that he has to take the blame
as he has been in the job 5 years and he'll be gone soon.

I meant to add that was from listening to a couple of radio stations and
a variety of newspapers.


In addition, someone made a great comment today that 10, 15 years ago when the I still call Australia home advert was on, everyone felt pride in the airline being the National flag airline and maybe paid a bit more. That has now gone, starting with the shut down by Joyce that pissed a lot of people off - the beginning of the end as he said.

AMPCLAMP as far as I know, those A320's are sitting on the fence. at NRT. Unless there are more.

No Richo, you're wrong. Alan told both the 7 & 9 breakfast television shows that Jetstar's Asian operations will be making Billions in a few short years! I think he even believed himself. :ugh:

In the 7 interview Alan avoided the question but reiterated how successful Jetstar International will be.

The announcement referred to "the equivalent of 5000 full-time positions". In fact far more than 5000 jobs will go after part-time positions are accounted for.

Further to this, Joyce announced pay and bonus freezes. Surely he and his senior staff are not going to accept a 'frozen' bonus anytime soon......surely?

You mention unions.

IMHO, the comments from some of the Union head honchos have come across quite well and they all / most seem to stress when asked by the media (pushed more like !) that Strike action NOT on the cards but is always an option. I think the media was hoping they would :roll eyes:

To be frank, why has Richo left these comments to now?
Like all the other commentators and analysts, he's waited until now before speaking up.
His comments are just what was previously known everyone else, so it' s a bit rich of Richo to come out now and say " yes, you were right about Joyce."
It would have been more credible to take Joyce on weeks ago and moreover, he could have lobbied his friends to put much more pressure on Joyce along the way.

Ida

Both of you are correct.

There is a flock at Narita yet to be used on a revenue flight. Last time I counted about 5 parked outside the JAL hangar at the southern end of RWY34L. My spies tell me that they don't have enough pilots and that they also have not yet gained JCAB approval to open a second hub at KIX. Apparently they had an issue with some engineering and maintenance procedures that earned them a wrap over the knuckles. I think Jetstar Japan has about 17 a/c in total with only about 12 flying.

The flock at Toulouse is mainly for the HK mis-adventure.I am not sure how many but half a dozen sounds about right.

Correct, and how many is only known to the company. We can only guess.

Alan Joyce

Sky News AM Agenda 28.2.14

"Now there's talk about the Qantas Sales Act being changed and that will certainly fix the issue in the medium to long term. As long at the Firb (Foreign Investment Review Board) issues around potentially SOE's (state owned enterprises) investing in Qantas is also addressed"

This is the first I've heard of Joyce actually saying why he wants the QF Sales Act amended. To the lay person it may have easily been missed with Alan's use of the terms FIRB & SOE's.

Is this Alan's grand plan?

Complain about an un level playing field brought about State Owned Enterprises.

Mismanage the Qantas business to put it in precarious financial position.

Pressure the Australian Government to amend the QF Sales Act, to allow a foreign takeover by the very entities he's complaining about.

BTW. Interesting choice of location for the live interview. AJ standing in front of the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Last time I recall Alan conducting an interview in front of the bridge was in 2011 when Red Q was being touted. Alan was telling us "Our future's in Asia".

MC.

"Pressure the Australian Government to amend the QF Sales Act, to allow a foreign takeover by the very entities he's complaining about."


It is making the take over offer from that group a few years back look very very attractive now.

One tried and proven method is the Gordian Knot solution.

Put the company into administration which should allow a restructure of the business and rid itself of the cancers, then almost everybody could get to work.

Maybe not on the luxury salaries but at least with a job.

Hell, even Singo's "I love a sunburnt country" ad a year or two ago would be enough to start building that pride again. Who knows, we might get to see it again some time soon...

Once it is lost it is very hard to get the mojo back again as new relationships have been built.

Even I am starting to lose it a bit, Qantas club not being available as one thing I have noticed, having to fly Jetstar although the prices are better.

To be fair to the bloke, he was getting stuck into Joyce back in 2011, describing him and Clifford as a 'toxic combination'.

The silence from Clifford is defening. As much as Joyce should go, the board at the ones making these decisions - the CEO is just the public face of it. Clifford should be grilled by the media - but that won't happen

Has anyone ever estimated the costs of :

• bungled, postponed or cancelled Qantas projects? e.g. aircraft sitting around, costs of Asian adventure etc
• inefficient aircraft choices
• route cancellations
• inefficient management structure
• inefficient governance structure
• shrinking the network
• damage to the brand
• dilution of the product

Might be of interest to the Media and might come close to covering the missing $2Billion :sad:

You are right.

Clifford is conspicuous by his absence.

There are many times that Joyce, like Dixon before him, tell the same old story.

I just read this article,
Qantas sells off defence arm | News.com.au
and thought, this is old news and I know someone there who told me about the sale last year.

So, I found this,
Qantas announces sale of QDS to Northrop Grumman Australia | Australian Aviation Magazine
I know the new piece does say 'finalised' but if that is the case, he could have told the world of it yesterday to prove that he was working on turning the airline around, not like the press would have gone and searched for the previous article !! Maybe Olivia is working against him now?

Joyce & Clifford the blame
 

It's mainstream now, Joyce's performance yesterday was dismal, I almost felt sorry for him (check back on this thread yesterday,) it takes a lot for Adele to point a finger... Clifford is a coward in my view, that's the real message.

You should all be calling for the coward to front up, loud & clear... chant it, if it comes to that..
Still today we have 2000 people who don't know if they have a job or not.

2000 Qantas workers don't know their fate

Unacceptable and Unprofessional, very badly handled so far. Joyce says he has the full support of the board, therefore Clifford is the blame, must go.. poor execution of strategy..
It's a bit like when Joyce woke up and decided to ground the airline... they forgot to stop selling tickets.... overlooked it.. if this goes on much longer with Clifford at the wheel, we won't have a Qantas.. he's a nineties boy, out of date. No more time to play games for this board and their band of CEO's, they are all past the use by date...