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Gaunty, Creamie, enough of the 'love' and mutual admiration. It's like watching a couple of teens heavy petting! Get a room, please!
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Creampuff is simply wrong about government motivation to do any thing.
Repeat after me: jobs, investment, growth. I am in sunny Broome at present. Do you think I could find someone to fly me to Cape Leveque and back yesterday? Nope. All I see at present everywhere I go are parked aircraft. Port Hedland tonight if I don't hit a Roo. Jobs, investment, growth. those are the three buttons that MUST be pushed in EVERY submission. |
So where does ‘stop the boats’ fit into that mantra, oh government guru?
The new government’s highest priority has nothing to do with jobs, investment or growth. := It’s all about populism, sunny, because it’s all about gaining and maintaining power. := And aviation reform doesn’t make a schmick of difference to any government’s electoral fortunes. How the non major party aligned Senators vote, does. |
AH Creamy , Words, Words, lots of words, no affirmative thought or let alone action, but lots of words.
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Creampuff, you just wait until the economy craters a little more. Once that happens the Governments ONLY priorities will be jobs, investment and growth. I worked in Government during Jeff Kennetts tenure when Victoria was a basket case and when it's " man the pumps" time, jobs investment and growth are all that matters.
That is why I said in my template for the review is that the first thing that needs to be done is for an economist to run a tape measure over the segments, charter, GA, regional and recreation and set out the number of jobs , investment and growth history of each of them. It is then a simple step to look at the impediments to more jobs, more investment and more growth and make assumptions about what employment and investment and growth could be generated is the impediments were removed. If the job growth and dollar numbers are substantially positive and big enough, then tHe Government will move, if not, you are stuck with CASA(the main impediment). |
AH Creamy , Words, Words, lots of words, no affirmative thought or let alone action, but lots of words. I thought that pointing out what I consider to be the only remotely realistic and practical way of bringing about real change might be helpful. And you wonder why GA in Australia is treated like a doormat. :rolleyes: |
Come in spinner?
You know its funny, but among the pagan peoples of ancient times, including the Greeks and Romans, one’s fate, particularly the length of the individual’s life, was often considered to be determined beforehand for all individuals by the gods. This could be likened to an operators AOC or COA, with CAsA as ‘he who holds your fate in his hands’. Grecian mythology represented the control of men’s destiny by three goddesses (or modern day DAS’s);
Clotho (spinner), who spun the thread of life. Or who today spins the facts in general! A lot of spinning is coming up when the Truss review hits full tilt. Then you have; Lachesis (disposer of lots), who determined the length of life. Or by today’s standard determines how long you keep your AOC or COA, which in turn determines whether you will have an inheritance to leave your kids or if you will be sent to the wall. And they dispose of your lots when you win in the AAT and they then still fight you in court. And; Atropos (inflexible), who cut life off when the time expired. Once the CAsA have had enough of playing with you, wringing you out and running your fighting funds into the sewer they bury the hatchet on you. A similar triad was found among the Roman deities. So my guess is that CAsA actually has bloodlines that stretch back to the Roman Empire. Spooky isn’t it? |
I see your point. There was a lot of incest going on then and now. Some say it's a rite of passage, or is that right of passage?
Enter the rough end of the pineapple to use on someone's passage, right? |
Gotta love the internet!
Creamy:
My apologies. I thought that pointing out what I consider to be the only remotely realistic and practical way of bringing about real change might be helpful. And you wonder why GA in Australia is treated like a doormat. ..."Senator SINODINOS: I think we are in furious agreement..." Perhaps we (concerted we..;)) should be lobbying Senator X :ok:(if he is not already) to lobby and educate the independent Senators elect so that they are fully briefed and onside prior to the Govt response to the TASRR report/recommendations??:rolleyes: Creamy may think this an exercise in abject futility... " Now that [the Regulatory Reform Program] has been refocused away from a timely conclusion, what is the new completion date and how is it proposed to stop it drifting along forever?"...however I am of the firm belief that there is still much to learn from history and human (repeated) mistakes of the past.:cool: To that end...a little birdy, called P3.5 (fellow lover of history, fine wines and trolling the internet), sent me a link for an internet search that he initiated while compiling a timeline (how droll??) of the RRP, which brings up some interesting observations: Aviation Safety Regulatory Review Taskforce Sarcs note: OBS1 is there have been multiple such reviews, of similar titles, dating back to the mid 90's (no surprises there I guess); OBS2 from the first 2 pages at least, the subject matter (RRP drifting along forever) is an inherently Australian reoccurring issue i.e. other NAA's have either resolved their version of RRP or didn't have a problem in the first place.:ugh: Ok just cherry-picking some of the search entries it becomes obvious that throughout the industry there are some extremely experienced wise old heads amongst us, all with common themes, concerns and solutions to fix the RRP bug bear that is slowly but surely strangling the GA industry.:{ Example: The AAA Forum Aviation Policy It is also obvious that if industry cannot show a unified approach then Creamy's prophesy, on the outcome of the TASRR, will come true and it will be yet another wasted opportunity....:= In sticking with the Greek/Roman theme Aesop once wrote in his fable, The Four Oxen and the Tiger..."United we conquer, divided we fall" ... And a quote from aforementioned The AAA Forum Aviation Policy: The Australian Aviation Associations’ Forum is an alliance of Australia’s major peak aviation associations to ensure the industry presents a united voice to government on key aviation issues and policy, characterised by expertise and the widest possible representation of people and organisations involved in aviation. NOTAM: The BRB's field trip this Sundy will now be convened at the Lake Burley Griffin Yacht Club (RSVP to "K"). |
Perhaps we (concerted we..) should be lobbying Senator X (if he is not already) to lobby and educate the independent Senators elect so that they are fully briefed and onside prior to the Govt response to the TASRR report/recommendations?? I’d do that, as well as lobby the Senators elect, directly, to follow Senator X’s lead on matters aviation. All it would take is a one sentence email. And anything more than a one sentence email will be ineffective. BTW: I use the phrase ‘non-major party aligned Senators’, instead of ‘independent’ Senators, deliberately. Don’t underestimate the willingness of the Greens to trade off and leverage off ‘non-Green’ issues to get progress on their policies. But don’t listen to me: It's just words and I have absolutely no idea about how Canberra or the Federal Parliament works … |
Games worth a candle.
Sarcs # 90 –"OBS2 from the first 2 pages at least, the subject matter (RRP drifting along forever) is an inherently Australian reoccurring issue i.e. other NAA's have either resolved their version of RRP or didn't have a problem in the first place'. This certainly is the big question, thousands of words, hundreds of pages and only the gods know how much money has been thrown at 'it'. Why has reform not happened?. As Sarcs points out, there have been some very wise heads provide options and answers, present great submissions and even offered to help. The search string gives you all of this, in spades. Time to answer the 200 million dollar question. Why has the RRP drifted along? The answers are not in the search string, you need to go one step further to reach Nirvana. Track backwards from the outcome – in the space (where no one can hear you scream) between the published official result sent out and the carefully prepared submissions going in. A mysterious transition occurs. The time honoured process of Ozfucation has been refined to a black art wherein diversion, fear, mystique, dilution and masterful deception are prerequisites of the game. Beware Grasshopper, the treasure can be winkled out but the protection of secrets in the Murky Machiavellian underworld is fierce. I would be cautious about the 'lobbying' of the non aligned. While I mildly agree in principal with Creamy, we are not privy to the internal machinations or the wheels within wheels of political life. Indications are that despite some furious internal manoeuvring the servants of the public are not going to have it all their own way. With a bit of luck, history will not be allowed to repeat. I will await the Fawcett drafted ministerial response to Pel Air, that will tell the tale and perhaps indicate whether it is worthwhile writing a submission. Just an afterthought, but a simple one sentence email is a great idea. The AAAA, AHIA, RAAA and AMROBA will be making well drafted, sensible submissions; the IOS could send a note of support for any or all of these. Much better than bashing out a half arsed submission doomed to become shelf-ware. Nice one Creamy.....http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/thumbs.gif |
Time to answer the 200 million dollar question. Why has the RRP drifted along? The important 200 million dollar question is: Why have successive governments allowed it to drift along? Answer: Because it makes not a schmick of difference to the electoral fortunes of the major parties: The electorate inevitably gives them alternating turns at the trough. Yes, the Frankenstein continues to eat money and leave a trail of destruction in the GA sector with no improvement in safety outcomes. But those outcomes haven’t and won’t make or break any government. So they only need to pretend to care. The collection of Senators with the balance of power in the Senate and the freedom to vote in accordance with their conscience rather than the party’s dictation are the glimmer of hope. :ok: |
All troughs lead to Rome....RAAA vs Fort Fumble?
Seems CAsA has become a profit centre?? The RAAA gives them a serve (Steve Creedy article);
Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian I know I know, it's a 'surplus'. I like how CAsA say that you need those few extra apples bobbing around in the trough just incase you get a SARS outbreak or a Bali bombing! What is CAsA trying to say here, that they are expecting China to give us another pandemic? Or that they think Indonesia is offering up another potential bombing atrocity at some point? Or is there a robust link here - SARS, pigs, CAsA....... Oink oink. I think maybe Dr Voodoo will need to post another apology letter! Or maybe they are learning some bookkeeping tricks from QF? Maybe just maybe Joe Hockey Stick will take some of Fort Fumbles profits and use it to help prop up the Roo??? A friend in need is a friend indeed!! Worse still, they may have worked out how to avoid incorrect taxi receipt issues and instead they have attended a 'Beaker 101 mi mi mi money making course' and have decided to turn incompetence and mismanagement into a revenue earner!!! A little extra gravy in the pot could mean additional salary increases, bigger bonuses, and perhaps, dare I say a shot at the coveted 'Golden Bureaucratic Accounting Award 2014'? Some big competition there - Infrastructure, ATSBeaker, ATO, ASA, Craig Thompson Pty Ltd.......Oh how that $12 million dollar surplus tastes as sweet as bacon! |
Oops...the trough runneth over!!
Top catch CJ, RAAA and well scribed SC (MMSM)!:D
Once upon a time that would have been lost in the glossy pages of the Fort Fumble Annual Report and eventually be left to gather dust with the other 1000's of ozfuscated documents in FF's shelfware warehouse :ugh:. Moving right along...noticed the Phearless leader has notified the Minister that FF has got the Minister's back on this whole TASRR thing, DAS (dis)missive to the Minister {can't imagine it is addressed to anyone else but the Minister..:rolleyes:??}: 26 November 2013 Dear Minister, CASA was pleased to see the announcement by the Federal Government this month of the independent review of aviation safety in Australia. The review is an opportunity for everyone in aviation to think carefully about important issues, to put forward constructive ideas for change and to see how Australia compares with other leading aviation nations. It gives individuals and organisations the chance to have their say, including agencies such as CASA. The Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Development, Warren Truss, told Parliament the Government is determined to ensure everything is done to make Australia’s aviation safety system even better. This is a goal CASA wholeheartedly supports and indeed works to every single day. When CASA develops new regulations, carries out surveillance, conducts an audit or delivers safety education our aim is to improve the outcomes of our aviation safety system. We are always striving to do this as effectively and efficiently as possible and the review will assist us by benchmarking our work and identifying opportunities for improvement. Importantly, the review is looking at both the structures, effectiveness and processes of all the agencies involved in aviation safety, as well as the relationships and interactions of the agencies. CASA understands and values the importance of our relationship with the Australian Transport Safety Bureau and we have processes in place to ensure the outcomes of the Bureau’s investigations are carefully analysed and appropriate regulatory and safety actions are taken. Any steps that can be taken to further develop our relationship with the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, and other aviation agencies, will be positive both for CASA and the aviation safety system. Another important area to be considered by the review is the burden and costs of regulation. Mr Truss told Parliament: “The Government has a clear policy of reducing the cost of regulation to business, and this goal will be part of the review. If there are ways to improve our safety outcomes and reduce the regulatory burden and the costs imposed on industry, then we can create a win-win outcome for the Australian economy overall.” CASA already takes the costs of regulation into account when developing and implementing safety standards and we welcome this aspect of the review. While achieving the best possible safety outcomes must always come first, CASA understands regulation must not be an unnecessary drag on aviation activity. The review is scheduled to report to Mr Truss by May 2014 and will be undertaking extensive industry and public consultation over the coming months. Find out more about the independent review of aviation safety. Best regards John F McCormick |
And the band, played on.
Sarcs #95 –"Phearless leader has notified the Minister that FF has got the Minister's back on this whole TASRR thing, DAS (dis)missive to the Minister {can't imagine it is addressed to anyone else but the Minister. Captain Woodward said the Civil Aviation Order governing flight and duty time limitations also failed to meet the International Civil Aviation Organisation’s test of being based on “scientific principles and knowledge”. AIPA believes that a scientific review of the proposed limits is necessary, ensuring efficiency is balanced with flight safety through principles developed by thorough scientific analysis, not lobbying. The motion to disallow CAO 48.1 will allow all industry stakeholders to go back to the table with CASA and produce legislation that is more aligned to international best practice, which will provide an outcome that is significantly better for public safety.” Guess who - a rebuttal? –"In summary, no matter what you may have heard, and contrary to some of the ill-informed statements in the aviation press, the new flight crew fatigue management rules provide a substantive improvement in the level of safety over and above the old rules. Modern, and well developed regulations and more effective surveillance and enforcement will improve aviation safety in Australia, and in this, CASA has the support and endorsement of the majority of the industry Sarcs – AQW - Paul Phelan owns the handle Pheerles; as a rule, he is a gentle-man of the first water, but when misquoted, well, things may change grasshopper..... http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ilies/evil.gif....:D |
severe turd polishing in train...
Would that the Dear Minister just respond with a "Dear John" and get it over with, so we wouldnt have to put up with this crap.:ok::ok:
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Timing is everything.
Seems the Bully boys v IOS exhibition bout is still on, short odds on Xenophon today; be odds on tomorrow.
Civil Aviation Order 48.1 Instrument 2013 [F2013L00258] Senator Xenophon on 24/6/2013 On 27/6/2013 Senator Xenophon postponed his notice to move that the order be disallowed to the next day of sitting The notice had not been resolved when the 43rd Parliament was prorogued on 5/8/2013. The order will be deemed to be tabled again in the Senate on the first sitting day of the 44th Parliament, so that disallowance action may start afresh (subsection 42(3), Legislative Instruments Act 2003). 7 Civil Aviation Safety Authority—Corporate plan 2013-14 to 2015-16 Adjourned debate on the motion of Senator Macdonald—That the Senate take note of the document (Senator Macdonald, in continuation, 14 November 2013). 77 Civil Aviation Safety Authority—Report for 2012-13 Adjourned debate on the motion of Senator Macdonald—That the Senate take note of the document (Senator Macdonald, in continuation, 13 November 2013). |
The order will be deemed to be tabled again in the Senate on the first sitting day of the 44th Parliament, so that disallowance action may start afresh |
At least, unless the Senate resolves to disallow, sooner.
A (new) motion to disallow must first be moved within 15 sitting days of the deemed tabling. If a (new) motion to disallow is moved within 15 sitting days of the deemed tabling and the (in this case) Senate resolves within a further 15 sitting days of the Senate to disallow the instrument, or the notice is not withdrawn or otherwise disposed of within 15 sitting days, the instrument then ceases to have effect. If a new motion to disallow was moved in the Senate e.g. today, 15 sitting days will elapse around mid-March 2014. |
Passing strange ways of grown ups.
When I was very young, the Alice in Wonderland story seemed to be set in a very strange world indeed. Happily after a bit of guidance it all made sense; I expect the ways of the political world will eventually make sense. But at the moment, 'tis a puzzle.
The Regulatory review was scheduled in the Senate yesterday afternoon. Having both the time and (passing) interest, I watched the telecast....Baffled -...When Hansard comes out, I'll try to make more sense of it all; but looking back at yesterdays notes I have to say I just don't get it. There were 'Albo and white paper' songs of praise; chorus led by Stearle. Up until then I had a modicum of respect for the man but as I listened, it dawned on me. These folk have not the first blind clue. No one properly briefed could make such speeches, unless it's a game of positioning. But the rest of the speakers, even ol' McDonald, left the feeling that a well polished turd was about to be put in a glass case and parked on the posterity shelf. Probably my own fault, shouldn't have listened. My hope is that they were clearing the decks for a retrospective "Oh really – I am so surprised" speech... They all 'begged leave' to speak again later. Anyway – we shall wait for the trusty Hansard, perhaps that stalwart can un-riddle that which puzzles me, bit like Alice's tale when I was younger..... http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/confused.gif |
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