Once followed an Jet Blue A-320 down final on 31R at JFK in a 744, gradually closing until when he touched down we were at 2nm ....maybe. We're thinking Canarsie go-round. The controller wasn't and told him "I need ya off as soon as ya can. I gotta seven-forty-seven up ya ass at 2 miles". The A-320 skipped off at "E", a near right angle taxiway, about 750m from the displaced threshold. Had he not made it at "E" we were off on another Long Island scenic! Thanks passed on for the nice work by them!! :D
...........probably don't need to do that all the time though.....

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Look how many RNP procedures there are for each airport that are permanently NOTAM'd out...

These have been approved in every respect, from design, ops and flight val, BUT...

The environmental people seem to have a strangle hold on operational efficiency refinements. Maybe they have been allowed excessive veto powers that are overdue for a calculated challenge. If the problem is actually political, then so is the solution. . . . .

Enviro is listening to all of the people who complain about noise....

Witnessed at holding point recently. "So and so are you ready for immediate?" Affirm is response and cleared for immediate takeoff. Puts the power up and looks to be in position to do a nice rolling start and then proceeds to SQUARE OFF the line up taking at least 20 seconds. International told to go round. ATC says thanks for immediate takeoff and a happy "your welcome" was response. Not a clue. If we want better separation standards we all need to play the game.

They complied with AIP. If you want them to do something else better/faster, educate them, redo AIP so it's more obvious what is expected.

If thats the attitude capn bloggs, then atc should do away with immediate departures. They do it for your sake, not theirs. SHRAGS is spot on. Everyone needs to play the game.

OK, tell me exactly why you think that crew did a squared-up, slo-mo takeoff. Because they thought, FU, I can't be stuffed doing a whizzy or, I have to comply with my lineup allowance, but I can keep it rolling, as per AIP, so yes, I'm ready immediate...

I'll put it another way. Tell everybody what the "rules" are and then everybody will play the way you think they should. :cool:

Minimum jet separation on final
 

What I find retarded is the fact distance remaining for departure is published for a square turn onto the runway when the line is curved. Why the hell isn't distance remaining calculated from where the lead in line meets the RWY centreline???? Luckily some pilots use discretion and follow the line on an immediate departure because it makes a big difference compared to the affectionally nicknamed 'woosy backtrack'.

The yellow line is for exiting the runway, not taking off. ;)

It probably is. Have a look at the typical lineup allowance and you'll understand why some crews don't just give it the gun along the yellow line to blast off.

As usual, front-liners are arguing, when it is the responsibility of the AsA bosses and company performance departments to get talking to give me the performance data I need to do "proper" rolling takeoffs. I can assure you that I am not going to expose myself by cutting the corner on lineup/roll just because somebody wants me to gun it, if my performance does not allow it.

If you can't do a rolling departure without a mini-backtrack, when asked the 'ready immediate' question, say no. Quite easy really. If your performance data allows for it, say yes. Or run the figures for worst-case departure - rolling without backtrack with 5 knots up the clacker, and taxi for that intersection. Seen it done, helps everyone out.

Minimum jet separation on final
 

Exactly.
Performance data needs to calculated based on distance remaining after a curved line up. Theres 2689m from A7, surely 50m can be spared. Everyone wins.

I know it seems trivial, but when the place is rockin you have only a few seconds between legal and go-'round.

You guys are telling me nothing I don't already know and do. Tell your masters to tell those things to the operators ie companies. Education is the key, and not ACE rush thru your checks, slam on the brakes to get off the runway ASAP and so on... Real education breeds commonsense. Commonsense breeds an efficient but safe operation.

Including CASA. The attitude has to change from what is legally correct to what is practical. Until that happens nothing will change. It will only take one FOI see you cut the corner lining up on a 4000m runway and your airline investigate you for the whole 'helping out' mentality to fail. Just have a read of the Pac Bro court case in Queenstown

If we built more runways in this country this would be a redundant topic.

In this clip the thought did cross my mind when I decided to film it, although not shown, (I was a bit late) the MD11 took a little longer than usual to start to roll.. possible the 738 crew may have discussed a GA for a few seconds, anyway was an interesting moment.