Slight thread drift, but regarding the Network F100 FO spots advertised on AFAP, why the need to hold an ATPL to be an FO???

So one day they can be a Captain......

And also a means of culling the mob if there are too many panting to get a job. In another era at Ansett, you could get a job as F/O DC3, F27 etc with a bare commercial licence and no instrument rating. Because of the seniority system and bugger-all movement up the line, there was little incentive to study for the SCPL theory exams, now called ATPL exams. When command slots came up suddenly there were all these CPL 8,000 hour first officers who could not be bothered to do the exams and were perfectly content to stay as permanent copilots on good money and protected by seniority.

Ansett for example had to nip this in the bud and I believe gave CPL first officers two years to pass the SCPL theory exams or get the boot. Might even have been less than two years. Some SCPL candidates failed the exams continually and left the airline.

After that, the trend was the airlines required all theory exams to have been passed before joining the airline. Similar to present day. All the above from memory which can be unreliable at times.

I get all of that, but under wonderful CASA's new system making it cost prohibitive to get an actual ATPL, even if you have all of your ATPL subject passes it seems you're unemployable by an airline in Australia.

Simple method of culling pilot applications, and saving on flight tests in the future. My guess would be in a few years time when FO applicants with an ATPL dry up the requirement will be lifted. Sort of like when you see a job requiring time already on type, if there is no one qualified, or the pay isn't good enough then the requirement will be relaxed.

No Need to go Overseas
 

50 Cadets at QF, 90 to Network, JQ employing, QF expanding, etc.


Here we go boys! Funny how the industry works. Middle East suffering and China about to die. Australia expanding.


God help the clowns going overseas. They must'nt read the posts on pprune too well. Sham we cant access the EK, CX, CS, CE, etc forums to read just how bad it is.

VA opening the gates before mid-year too.

It's the back of a long queue though.

It's true QLink are desperate!

Did an interview about 5 years ago, was told to re-apply in 6 months. Never did.

6 years later, they email me asking to update my application and want me to pay for a psychometric test. :=

No thanks Qlink! You had your chance :cool:

:ugh:

They are about to become a whole lot more desperate. A bunch of Captains about to resign, and they reward there remaining crew by driving them harder, 10 hour 6 sector shifts, double O/N's etc. OH!, and they act surprised when even more leave this paradise!Even some FO's are giving it the rear end treatment because its becoming unsustainable. Be careful what you wish for potential applicants.

SN

Frathouse:---- what private CX forum? Just read Fragrant Harbour and you'll see all you need to see...

Are a bunch of South African captains still coming over on a 12 month contract? If so, how do the existing FOs feel about it?

They can get their ATPL on a turboprop.

I've seen this done for Captains, but FOs? My experience is that suitable FOs get upgraded, others don't, some of them don't understand/accept that they aren't suitable. To be fair, some flight ops teams aren't very good at explaining why someone isn't getting an upgrade and what they can do to improve.

SN, south of the boarder 10hr duties are fairly common on day 1 of an O/N, but we don't see 6 sector days. No talk of more Eastern crew jumping ship just yet.

FTS, we now have a command assessment process, so for whoever has been screened and is in the pool (and i'd imagine over 2/3 F/O ranks are eligible) bypass pay will be up for grabs as soon as they start adding DEC to the bottom of seniority, assuming they get added of course.

Well I hope QLink don't go down the 457 avenue, they did that with the ATR and the 457 guys have done nothing but cause headaches, skill level of 457 is very concerning.

In what possible way could Qlink use 457 Captains? How could they prove the necessity of this to the authorities while most of the FOs are upgradeable?

The 457 Visa DE captains is nonsense. It's a false rumour, plain and simple. Spoke to a recruiter who went to S.A. and he said they never at any stage were looking for DE captains.

You're wasting your time banging your heads against the wall about this issue when it simply isn't true.

On another issue, definition of Exodus: 'mass departure of people'

Let's assume mass departure = 1/4 of pilots, does that sound fair? I'll eat my hat, wings, bars and tie if 125 pilots QL pilots go to EK.
Whoever started this thread should get a job at a newscorp paper, the sensationalism is top notch!

Bear in mind that this thread was created just over three years ago.

IIRC, some crew left but there wasn't an "exodus" then.

Today, well, our "management" aren't predicting another 2007/2008 when we lost 40% of our pilots. But...

Last year: 40 FO's to Cathay, a few leaving due to the base closures, and a couple of Captains leaving for Virgin.

This year: 4 pilots already left for EK. 2 more to EFA and elsewhere. 50 Qantas cadets to leave over the next 12 months or so, plus LOI holders. Rumoured up to 20 FO's waiting for Cathay start dates, rumoured at least seven more Captains waiting EK start dates. Rumoured around 60 Sunstate pilots applying for EK right now.

A lot of rumours there, but I wouldn't be writing off 125 pilots leaving within 12 months just yet.

DIVOSH!

Have the powers that be figured out how they are doing this yet? Would taking the most senior cadets be possible (as they would be captains/C&Ts now?) or will they take people from across the board to try and balance things?

Heston,

Yes, QLink can do the ATPL flight test. It's done during the command upgrade process.

About 500-550 pilots at the moment.

Within 3 years? highly unlikely.

Wages always reflect rank and total years of service.