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EK413 engine failure..
Just landed back in Sydney after losing the number 3.
Oh and its a 380 and just after this was in the paper this morning! A380 engine failure a 'big wake-up call': Emirates |
Unless you are Marty Mcfly, the article you've referenced is from November 11th 2010.
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That was what I was just about to say!
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Oh well whats a couple of years when it comes to the media!!
sorry had it flicked to me this morning.. |
I think you meant this one
#3 engine went bang of some-sort. Emirates A380 in a Sydney mid-air engine explosion | News.com.au |
Guessing this is the article being referred to:
Emirates A380 in a Sydney mid-air engine explosion | News.com.au DISTRESSED passengers told how they survived a mid-air emergency last night when an Emirates A380's engine exploded at 10,000 feet and forced it to turn back for an emergency landing. About 20 minutes after leaving Sydney, Emirates flight EK413 experienced an "engine fault'' en route to Dubai. "I saw a flash,'' John Fothergill, 49, from Auckland, said. "I thought it could have been lightening but then we saw flames come out of the engine. The whole interior of the A380 lit up. "You'd have to say there were two or three metre flames. (The) explosion shook the plane, there was a bigger judder.'' Emirates flight attendants responded by moving straight to the windows that faced out to the engine. They observed the damaged and asked the passengers what they had seen. Mr Fothergill's wife, Dr Amal Aburawi, questioned how the Emirates staff reacted and said, "The staff panicked more than the passengers.'' She said: "Everyone was running left and right (with) no one knowing what's happened.'' "I was in the same incident in 1988 when I was travelling on Alitalia, (so) it was (a) flash back to what happened (there). It was exactly the same (but) the way it was being handled on Alitalia was so organised and calmer than what's happened tonight.'' Dr Aburawi furthermore criticised Emirate's flight attendants for not properly informing some non-English speaking passengers of the incident. "I'm a frequent flyer on Emirates,'' she said. "Usually its Arabic announcement following the English, (but) this time no one mentioned anything in Arabic and there (were) many Arabic passengers, many of them old ladies. "I held (an Emirates flight attendant) by the hand and said, 'Can you ask someone to do the announcement in Arabic because there are Arabic people who will not understand what's happening with this panic situation'. "(She said she would) send Arabic speaking staff to tell them and calm them down. (But) I checked with them when we landed and no one spoke to them. They don't know why we landed back in Sydney. "This is where I feel angry, I feel angry for the way non-English speaking passengers faced this situation. "Emirates should be well trained in this. "I hope Emirates will get some lessons out of this.'' Emirates said an "engine fault'' was to blame for the incident. The pilot contacted ground crew at Sydney Airport and a decision was made to dump fuel and turn the plane around. Emirates said, "Passengers are being re-booked on alternative flights (and) Emirates apologises for any inconvenience caused to its customers.'' |
Engine explodes on Emirates flight
11:21 AM Monday Nov 12, 2012 http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webconte...14_220x147.jpg A New Zealander says "two or three metre flames" were coming from the engine of an Emirates A380 flight which had an engine explode mid-flight last night. Emirates flight EK413 was forced to turn around after it suffered an "engine fault" at 10,000 feet, about 20 minutes after leaving Sydney for Dubai, news.com.au reported. Aucklander John Fothergill, 49, told news.com.au he saw a "flash" before the plane started to shake. "I thought it could have been lightning but then we saw flames come out of the engine. The whole interior of the A380 lit up. "You'd have to say there were two or three metre flames. (The) explosion shook the plane, there was a bigger judder.'' Mr Fothergill's wife, Dr Amal Aburawi, questioned the response of staff on the flight. "The staff panicked more than the passengers," she told news.com.au. "Everyone was running left and right (with) no one knowing what's happened.'' She also criticised the staff for not making an announcement in Arabic following the English announcement. "This is where I feel angry, I feel angry for the way non-English speaking passengers faced this situation." The plane dumped fuel and turned around, landing back at Sydney Airport about 11.30pm local time. Emirates said an engine fault was responsible for the incident. Fairfax motoring journalist Matt Campbell was also aboard the flight. He had heard the incident may have been caused by bird strike. "I didn't see flames but the flash that I saw would be consistent with an engine exploding," he told the Sydney Morning Herald. "It was a bright orange light, I didn't see it for more than a split second, but it was still a very scary sight." |
Singapore Airlines has 11 471-seat A380s in its fleet, all powered by Rolls-Royce. The company said yesterday that it planned to take three of the jets out of service for as long as 48 hours to change the engines, in a precautionary measure after "slight" oil staining was found. Deutsche Lufthansa AG, the only other user of the Trent 900, replaced an engine on one jet.
Read more: Travel - smh.com.au Old story - link no longer works. |
That's okay, the Captain can now demand 4 months off for stress counselling.............oh and to write a book of his heroic exploits!:D
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Hope their not relying on QF to lend them an engine. They have one Dugong in H416 with an engine change due to cracked gearbox and another in H96 undergoing an extended "A" check with attrition lining to be replaced. Also heard they're nursing the rest of the 380 fleet's Rollers due to a required mod program that requires them to be cycled through SACL workshop.
These new aircraft that don't need any maintenance and fix themselves are fantastic. |
Bigger Judder!
Mmmm that A380 has nice big Judds!:p
Nothing much on the news here in the sandpit, but no doubt Richard the C will be on the telly tonight referring us to his bible and how they should have handled landing a four engined aircraft with just three engines, on a short-ish 4000m runway :ok: المزاح فقط ريتشارد! Inshallah |
Another Emirates A380 had an inflight shutdown just a few days ago.
Incident: Emirates A388 near Kosice on Nov 7th 2012, engine shut down in flight And on the same day, an Emirates 777 had one too. Incident: Emirates B773 near Mumbai on Nov 7th 2012, engine shut down in flight |
Hopefully Tim is not taking Alan Joyce advise,new aircraft does not require maintenance,
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I don't see what the issue is. The safety of the passengers was never at risk.
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Unless new aircraft come with R2-D2 astro-mech droids capable of clinging to the surface of the aircraft in flight whilst carrying out repairs then the statement that new aircraft don't need maintenance or are self healing will always be a load of cods wallop.
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Originally Posted by smiling monkey
Another Emirates A380 had an inflight shutdown just a few days ago.
Incident: Emirates A388 near Kosice on Nov 7th 2012, engine shut down in flight And on the same day, an Emirates 777 had one too. Incident: Emirates B773 near Mumbai on Nov 7th 2012, engine shut down in flight Busy month for GE engine replacements, more than a $100 million dollars worth of engines, nice way to generate profits. |
Lucky it was not a code share QF/EK flight otherwise it would be a headline all over the news
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Bungeye, The Rat won't be lending any engines.
Emirates have the Engine Alliance GP7200.:ok: |
OOPS, sorry about that Nepotism. Forgot about that little technicality. Still, they won't want to borrow a hangar. H96 - Dugong with extended "A" check, H416east - 330 that's been there for over a month with damaged Horizontal Stab, H416west - another Dugong with an unscheduled engine change.
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And...... back on topic. This is an Emirates thread, thanks :)
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Investigators are reporting that the progress of their investigation has been seriously compromised by this morning's PPRuNe outage.
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So how many Engine failures for the A380 is that now?
Not a good look for what is essentially a new aircraft. |
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
Not a good look for what is essentially a new aircraft.
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Interesting that they were tossing up whether to continue or return?
Maybe just a slip of the tongue. |
Good opportunity to showcase that terrific engine overhaul facility hey Alan?
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And...... back on topic. This is an Emirates thread, thanks http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/smile.gif |
Peuce
You've clearly never flown a four engine aircraft before. An engine failure is not necessarily a requirement to divert, in fact a straight failure will usually allow continuation to destination if you are over 2/3's thru the flight. This failure does not appear to be a time critical event. Although they clearly wouldn't have had the fuel to make destination, it still made sense to leave the aircraft pointed in the direction it was going for 12 minutes while they worked the problem and meant that navigation was one less thing to deal with. Fuel jettison would have taken a considerable period of time to achieve anyway. Nothing worse than a rushed attempt to return or a quick/wrong decision for a particular course of action when the availability of time has not been established. |
Reminds me of the Irish joke, where the captain reports a succession of engine failures in the 747, meaning the arrival time becoming more and more delayed. After hearing of the 3rd engine failure Paddy says to his mate: "If dat last engine fails, we'll be up here all day!"
Aaaand, back to the serious discussion...:O |
Got to love the comments from pax that FA's looking out the window = panicking. Errr, how do they think the flight crew are going to get an accurate report without 'eyes in the back'? (yes yes I know there are cameras etc but I don't think they are clear enough or positioned correctly for this sort of thing)
As for engine change, I don't think Sydney on ground in springtime will be an issue... recall an article awhile back about someone in EK engineering creating a custom 'tent' to cover the area so they could work in adverse conditions and get urgent maintenance completed. Guess they can do the same here if needed. QF equipment is different and not the right sort required for engine issues, about a year back a flight out of Sydney needed a component replaced and while QF had the spare the equipment required to fit it was not compatible, or so their engineer told us. |
swh-
the 773 was a RR. And you were saying?? |
Mrs Mangels,
Was the B777 an ER or not? Mike |
Guys, no I've never flown a 4 engined aircraft and never likely to. Hell, I have enough trouble pushing one engine around the sky.
I'm equally aware that, technically, an A380 could easily drag its backside to Dubai with 3 donks ... provided it had enough go juice. Yes, settle things down, do the checks, do the sums and take a deep breath. However, considering the un-seen collateral damage an engine failure caused to an A380 in Singapore, albeit an uncontained failure, which this doesn't appear to be, and considering the bad publicity received by another carrier when they recently completed a long haul leg with 1 down, out of LAX I think, is it really a philosophical or public relations option ... to continue on? Would you really want a bus full of 400 edgy passengers down the back for 14 hours? |
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EX A380/ Atiuta
Are you serious? I can understand if they were somewhere enroute, but continue on three engines just after departing?? "They may have wanted to continue and land further down route once the fuel allowed landing at below max landing weight." They had just taken off from SYD heading for DBX, so maybe the Alice or DRW was a consideration? Plenty of A380 spares there as opposed to returning to SYD :ok: |
From the radar tracks it looks like they didn't need to dump fuel, unless they did it over land. After the incident they turned due east to the coast, but before they were over the ocean they returned to near Mudgee where it happened and then tracked for a south approach to R34.
They landed shortly after 11.30 pm. I'm surprised they were allowed to land so long after the curfew, I mean what's the point in having a curfew if aircraft can bust it willy nilly any time they like just because an engine was underperforming? I can see this will open a can of worms, with airlines scheduling engine failures when approaching Sydney out of hours. Turn them back, like the boats I say. (you there Alan, c'mon, back me up here) |
They landed shortly after 11.30 pm. I'm surprised they were allowed to land so long after the curfew, I mean what's the point in having a curfew if aircraft can bust it willy nilly any time they like just because an engine was underperforming? I can see this will open a can of worms, with airlines scheduling engine failures when approaching Sydney out of hours. Turn them back, like the boats I say. (you there Alan, c'mon, back me up here) |
nah, he started strong but over did it. barely a pass, sorry.
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There is a 3 engine ferry flight procedure in the AMM they should use that option to get it home.
Thai used this on a 744 a few weeks ago out of Sydney as well. |
"New"...over 5 years now, SQs first flight with them was in Oct 2007 Even if this was birdstrike the A380 is having alot of problems. |
There is absolutely no requirement to return or divert following the loss of one engine. Diverting an hour or so away (ie BNE or MEL) is one thing but to fly on for 8 hours is going to be hard to justify if you then had another problem on arrival or almost ran out of fuel like BA did a few years ago. I mean what's the point in having a curfew if aircraft can bust it willy nilly any time they like just because an engine was underperforming? |
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