Correction to my post on the previous page. The dialogue mentioned to me involved another issue which will become public in time involving the NZ and Aus regulators.

But there are some interesting asides re code sharing. Does EK operate the pacific soon? Been their ambition for a while.

Can EK operate the 777 cheaper on the pacific code shared with Qantas. Some interesting mumblings abound.

Watch this space.

Good lord, if QF does acquire 777's as part of the Emirates deal and then gives them to Jetstar that will truely be the final nail in the coffin for QF International.

Emirates to operate red tailed 777s on flights from Australia to DXB and into Europe?

Umm. Why even bother flying Qantas and why not go straight to Emirates?

Emirates operate Red Tails?
 

Keg..I dont follow this trail of thought. Why would EK operate red tails to DXB and then throught to Europe, when the can and are happily doing it all by themselves? I just dont see what possibly could be in it for EK

I see Virgin Driver has just beaten me to it....my thoughts exactly.

I'm just throwing out the most outlandish things I can think of because this management do some really strange stuff. If QF want to maintain a 'presence' in Europe perhaps EK operated red tail 777s is the way to do it. No training costs for QF, EK's cost base is supposedly lower than ours (according to Joyce anyway), etc.

Actually OnceBitten I could not agree with you more:ok:

Hey, I'm just repeating what I heard.

Hmmm, and how does this make qf any better?
I suppose it will accelerate the loss of passengers to the rivals.
QF international dies, and then the rot will set in at domestic.
Awesome plan Ace.

I honestly believe EK will fly Red tails all over Europe as they exhaust their rights into other countries a new entity ( Qantas) will be able to pick up a very large number of new destinations.
The cost base of EK is probably about 1/3 of qantas if not less.
Don't expect to fly them unless a new inferior contract comes along.

Brisnane...?
 

Is Brisbane next to close...??

:eek:

Rambo,
JQ pilots can fly them MFF style with the 787.

To think EK are going to slow down their bid for world domination for 2 slots into LHR is one very far stretch of the imagination. Particularly since the wing fix on the 40 380s needing them is going to take a long time, I don't see any aircraft deliveries being deferred. There would be a greater chance of retirements being delayed. There are 5 or 6 classic 777s leaving the fleet next year, perhaps QF wants these? 1996 models, only ever driven to church each Sunday by a little old lady.... honest.

The Don

The thing is Emirates wants more daily services to Europe but cannot get them , Rome is a good example. A red taiI can most likely get the rights or already has them.
Its the same reason etihad and emirates will never merge as separate entities they can fly to more destinations.
With qf under its belt, instead of 3 flights a day from mel dxb lon there can be almost an unlimited amount say 6 a day , a flight to london or Europe every 2 hours. It doesnt matter what color the aircraft is.
Of course as emirates gained more rights into Australia in the future it would probably be at the expense of Qf.

Who will actually fly the 777s - EK or QF pilots? Very confusing...:confused::confused::}

I dont think so..........

The rumour doing the rounds at the moment is that Jitconnict is going to be dismantled altogether. Crew to Jetstar NZ, airframes back to mainline, as they are needed in Oz.:D

To The States
 

Iver- Ek has said they are going to be basing EK crews in Oz to fly the 777s.
Part of the deal will be giving EK some QF slots into LAX.
Sounds stupid doesnt it?
So was grounding the airline.
These people have turned stupid into an art form

Yeah I bet they will wind up Jetconnect. The only part of Qantas international that makes money to give back the airframes to mainline to charge twice the price to fly them. If Jetconnect goes anywhere the Qantas longhaul pilots should put out the resume also.

Also can't see Jetconnect flying 777's at the moment. The company doesn't have the structure or experience within to pull off something that large.

In a logical word, with EK and QF codesharing, part of the deal would be for EK to take their capacity dumping superliners off the Tasman and do their Aust- NZ flights as QF codeshares. They'd probably also want codeshare flights into and out of Wellington on QF branded hulls.

This would seem to indicate a bigger role for Jitconnect, not closure.

As for EK flying Aust-USA. I don't think so. Uncle Sam would have a protectionist fit! The yanks do have some say in the matter. And anyway, it is not the great little earner it used to be.

But all the above is in a logical world. And we sure don't live in that anymore.

I think the opposite will happen.

EK in their pursuit for global dominance will take over the Tasman runs on behalf on the QF group.

Why would EK want to withdraw their brand from NZ?

Rob Gurney in FWA indicated Jetconnect was loosing money, even with a cost base lower the QF.

AJ has declared he's turning QF international around. He'll be doing any and everything possible to stem any losses.

EK is in the dominant position, why would they want to hand over the TAsman to the QF group?

What EK want is the revenue & network reach. They'll continue to operate the Tasman, code share it with QF & have increased revenue & the ability to skim coin from the bulging purse which is the QF Frequent Flyer program.

I can't see any logic why Emirates would have any desire to reduce services.

The by product of EK taking over the Tasman, would free up 737's for where the bucks are made in QF domestic.

EK's aim is to be a 'round the world' airline like Pan Am used to be. They will do nothing that is not to the direct and immediate benefit of EK (which is why I am very happy to be with them). There is only one rather large body of water which we don't yet span. EK has a commercial department second to none, and a management team that makes QF look like kindergarten rejects. The future is clear if you don't have rose coloured glasses on.