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Keg 13th Aug 2012 09:17

Some interesting points made on the Gold coast Bulletin.

Slow learners but a positive move none the less. As Ben Sandilands points out, I wonder what this will do to Jetstar?!?!

StallBoy 13th Aug 2012 09:40

Here is a few other destiations Qantas could look at:-

Paris
Athens
Rome
Singapore to Hk QA77 should return
Buenos Aries
Saigon

Wouldn't it be good to see the old world airline flying again????:ok:

mikk_13 13th Aug 2012 10:02

Maybe they did it because Emirates doesn't want to code share jetstar flights.

73to91 13th Aug 2012 10:11



"Our pax told us that they wanted a full service airline flying to OOL– and
we have listened"

What a bunch of transparent bullcrap from the geniuses
running this basket case of an airline.
What about the pax who have told you that they want a full service airline flying to DPS from MEL/PER/SYD? and

a full service airline flying to HNL from BNE/MEL/SYD? (daily at least rather than the 3 QF do now)?

etc, etc, etc.

Who was responsible for 'gifting' the routes to JQ in the 1st place, to ensure that JQ looked good?

So, who is working on the reverse now? Is AJ going to work against JQ now? Is it the board? Or is it Emirates? interesting.

SandyPalms 13th Aug 2012 10:20

Looks like the answer is yes. JQ reduce to 10 per day, down from 13. Wow, QF at the expense of JQ. Times have changed.

ohallen 13th Aug 2012 10:42

The problem with all of this is Qf believe we will just forget how they gouged the fares and then abandoned the route to crapstar.

Justice would dictate that DJ be supported in this blatant attempt to recover. Never forget that if DJ are beaten to a pulp, the Rat will do what they have already done.

600ft-lb 13th Aug 2012 11:06

Nah, the general populace will do what they always do. Select the cheapest price for the most convenient time that they can get away with.

Goddamnslacker 13th Aug 2012 12:10

Now the smart move would be to scrap Jetstar flying from Syd to Ool, that would be a brain child....Ool should be a major traffic route for QF Domestic

Worrals in the wilds 13th Aug 2012 12:28


"Our pax told us that they wanted a full service airline flying to OOL– and we have listened"
One of the wealthiest areas in Queensland (if not Australia) and people wanted full service? Who'd have thunk it...:rolleyes:

Select the cheapest price for the most convenient time that they can get away with.
Even in post GFC times the number of luxury cars, yachts and five story mansions that grace the Gold Coast suggest otherwise. There's certainly a market for LCC (both tourist and local), but many of the residents like luxury service and are happy to fork over the cash. IMO operating some Jetstar flights out of OOL was a smart move, but completely withdrawing full service flights wasn't.

wrongwayaround 13th Aug 2012 13:22

I've just seen the red-email hit my inbox boasting "happy to be back"...
Qantas are also boasting the fact that they serve a meal "to all passengers in every class, on every flight"...

A meal on a flight- why don't virgin bite the proverbial bullet and start doing this too.

Personally I think it'd go a long way for the airline. Although virgin are doing really well... I think a meal provided would see more people flying with them?

Worrals in the wilds 13th Aug 2012 13:54

Dunno. I usually can't eat them so I see it as an unnecessary expense. I've always liked the Virgin 'buy it if you want it' philosophy when it comes to meals, blankies, IFE etc. I don't really need any of those things on a two hour flight; I'm sitting in a chair, not a hiking up Mount Lindesay.

To me, full service is about backup when there's a problem with the flight (rather than having to sleep at the airport, hire a car or hitch a ride with a truck pointing in the right direction :ouch:), leg room, a classy aircraft interior and nice staff. I don't mind paying for extras as required, as long as what comes with the ticket is clearly specified.

IME what Virgin do provide is an efficient, friendly service in comfortable aircraft, with the right number of staff to make the trip a pleasant experience. I know the difference between full service and LCC is getting a bit grey these days, but for me, on a short haul domestic flight a 'free' meal (that's factored into the ticket price) isn't a key part of it.

Put another way; I'd rather have an efficent paid drinks service than a free one from an alleged full service carrier that never eventuates, or a 'free' Yowie special meal (rumoured to exist and often promised, but never yet seen by reliable witnesses :}).

Alternatively, I don't want to arrive at the airport to be told 'aircraft's broken, find your own way home, there's no refund and bugger you' :(. That's my perception (maybe incorrect) of LCC a la Jetstar and Tiger, and that's why I don't fly with them.

teresa green 13th Aug 2012 21:43

Well at least it will hone your flying skills lads, no ILS and on a dark and stormy night its a delight to behold. OOl has scared the sh$t out of most pilots, more than just about anywhere else on this continent, but hey if the JQ cowboys can do it, should be a piece of cake hey?

ejectx3 13th Aug 2012 22:07

RNP(ar) has taken all the fun out of it.

The good old days of 320 knot downwind for left circuit are behind us sadly.

Helmut Smokar 13th Aug 2012 22:11

It was always going to happen in a market with a true premium competitor. Qantas has been fortunate until Virgins recent entry into the Bussiness market. For a case study in reducing yields and corporate stupidity look no further than British Airways folly with GoFly.
Dixon repeated it with Jetstar. This will be the tip of the iceberg, watch mainline return to most of the ports it serendered to Jetstar and Jetstar try to survive truly trying to develop new markets.
What a pack of clowns :hmm:
I'm still waiting to hear how much profit Jetstars international operations have contributed to the Qantas group :rolleyes: can we get that bonus back Dixon?

Keg 13th Aug 2012 22:58


This will be the tip of the iceberg, watch mainline return to most of the ports it serendered to Jetstar and Jetstar try to survive truly trying to develop new markets.
I remarked to one of the management pilots at work yesterday that who would have thought that it would be Borghetti as head of Virgin Australia that would be the one that is still benefiting Qantas mainline crews.

an3_bolt 13th Aug 2012 23:09

I think the challenge was 330 kts to Surfa........and hope for no tailwind on base:ooh:

Lookleft 13th Aug 2012 23:56

What was the answer Keg?

600ft-lb 13th Aug 2012 23:57

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian


The Qantas flights will deliver 1000 extra seats into the Gold Coast daily and nearly 400,000 additional seats each year.
3x738=1000??

Maybe they let slip further expansion of the mainline

ejectx3 14th Aug 2012 00:21

Looks like JB is doing a great job if running both virgin and qantas....

Oceania1 14th Aug 2012 00:21

Good to see QF Back on this route. Lets see if we can get some others back maybe MEL.

3 x 738 (12/156) = 504 in and 504 out. = 1008 (marketing speaking it up)

Times on the QF Web site eff 29/10/12 are 0815/1250/1740 departures so no issues of night ops.


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