Had four uncles in the 8th division, all ended up in Changi, all over 6ft none over 60k when they got back home. Never really recovered. Mate, we would fight till the last Aussie was standing, simple as that and we won't be having a civil war, but right now we are considering a coup.

Cap'n,

Let's look at what has accompanied "refugees" over the last 40 years.

1. Home inavasions
2. Gang warfare (not talking traditional bikies, as they kept their grievances between themselves)
3. Drive-by shootings
4. Arms deals
5. Drug dealing

Yes, there has always been crime in Australia. That's what it was founded on. Convicts sent as far away as possible to form a colony, but the amount and blatant disregard for the laws and the police these "refugees" have is reprehensible.

I'm in Sydney, and there is not a day that goes by that you don't hear about one of the abovementioned points. The origins of these people are either "Mediterranean/Middle Eastern, Asian or Islander. Where are most of the "refugees" coming from? The aforementioned origins. When they get here, and they don't like the conditions, they burn down the detention centre. Why? Because they know that the government and the courts are pi$$ weak. Would these same people have dared to do anything like that in their home country? Not likely, nor should they.

When they arrive on our shores, as illegally as they do, they should not only be kissing the soil of this country, but also our backsides for reaching here and forcing us to give them assylum.

It seems to be only a small percentage of people fleeing thier countries of origin. The masses must seem to think it's still OK to stay. Those fleeing must have done something for the government or military to want them so bad.

But if you feel so strongly about having them here, maybe you should put up a welcome sign on your front lawn or apartment door and give them the refuge they seek. Not all Australians want other countries waste products. We neither have the finances or means to accommodate them, especially when so many of our own are being forced out of work because that same work is going to these countries that these people are fleeing.

What are you on about?
 

Sorry, must be me, I thought I was on PPRuNe but somehow I have ended up on rightwing.nuts.org.

So it was ok to start Australia with another countries 'waste products' as you so eloquently put it but not anymore?

Bikie gang violence and crime are ok because they usually just keep it amongst themselves? Ever heard of Milperra? Are they harshly/wrongly accused of major drug distribution?

Wow.

Cant wait to see this in print!

No, but it looks like you're starting up looneygreenlabor.com.au

It could go on forever about splitting hairs and the number of crimes committed. NO crime is acceptable. Neither is having a gun held to one's head and forcing down our throats that we have to take people we simply can't take or afford to take. Maybe you and captain tipples should start your own half-way house and take on all the refugees you can accommodate and releive the rest of the Australian community of the tax burden in the process.

Unseen, maybe you should remain that way.

Perhaps I can go one better. My kids are grown but half Arabic on their mother's side. All of their grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, and friends are law abiding responsible citizens. Not a murderer or criminal amongst them.

However, I can't say as much for my Anglo heritages family. I have a brother possibly facing a significant gaol term and he won't be the only white Australian in gaol.

Empathy is obviously not your strong suit. Perhaps you'll be lucky enough, by fluke of birth or whatever causes you to live here, not to be in need of empathy yourself.

QF94,

I'll start by saying that I generally respect your posts. Second, personally I have no axe to grind here - there are good and bad points re refugees and immigration more generally.

However I respectfully submit that a few of your points here are simply incorrect and cannot stand unchallenged.

1.

It does not follow that only refugees have brought these blights. I would suggest that the vast majority of refugees (and immigrants) are law-abiding (citizens, as many become) who are simply seeking to provide for their families and educate their kids.

However, I would also suggest that many of the perpetrators of the above are not refugees, but 'legal' immigrants - plus a good smattering of Aussies of more Northern European extraction:

1. Terry Clark (Mr Asia) was a (white Anglo-Saxon) Kiwi;
2. Bikie gangs have also shown to be heavily invovled in the drug trade;
3. As for bikie gangs keeping things between themselves, all I'll say is "Viking Tavern" and "Qantas Sydney domestic terminal";
4. Very few (if any) "Islanders", for example, come to Australia as refugees.

2.

I think most do - right from those who came on various sailing ships (though they weren't called 'refugees' then), to the hundreds of thousands who came post-1945, to the Viets and Cambodians. Sure, some don't, but you're unfairly tarring an innocent majority.

3.
"The masses" might not have the wherewithall to be able to fund an escape, or perhaps the courage to risk life & limb on a perilous journey. Or, maybe they are members of the "right" ethnic or linguistic group in their country and therefore feel no need to leave.

On the other hand, "those fleeing" may have simply wanted to express their opinion; maybe vote for their government :eek:; or perhaps their crime / thing they "must have done" was to have been born with the wrong skin / surname / religion.

Perhaps next time you get a cappuccino from that long-established Italian cafe, or go to the local green-grocer run by Con or Costas, or a Viet take-away that's been there for 20 years, you might like to take a moment and ask what motivated the proprietor to up-sticks and come to God's own country all those years ago.

"Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" doesn't really work.

Well said!!

Good reply taildragger.

Taildragger,

As I mentioned earlier. NO CRIME is acceptable, and that all breeds and races have their fair share.

What I am also saying and being branded as a redneck racist for it, is that we can't keep taking people from another country that have no identification on them, apart from the thousands of dollars they bring with them to get here, and then expect to put them in the community and hope to Christ they assimilate.

Let's go back a few years to the ugliest day in Australia's recent history. I think we all remember Cronulla. The day the flag wearing, alcohol filled goons went crazy and rioted. Police were in there full swing against them and hammering anyone wearing a flag. The very next night, in Lakemba, when the "allah" chanting mob were making their own noise about revenge and then let loose in Woolooware and the eastern suburbs smashing cars and beating innocent "Aussies" to a pulp because they were Aussies, where were the police and bleeding hearts then?

Enough is enough. Let's control what's in our midst now. Not bringing more in hoping they'll abide and assimilate.

Let's look at "race specific" areas of Sydney. They do exist and you're fooling yourself if you think they don't.

Cabramatta - Vietnamese/Laotian - through the 80's and 90's was the drug capital and murder capital of Australia. Even the first political assassination of an Australian politician took place there. Mr John Newman (Phong Ngo accused of murder). Not like that before them.

Bankstown/Lakemba/Belmore - Arabic/Islanders - Drugs, arms dealings shootings. Not like that before them.

The above two examples are just the tip of the iceberg, and this is just in Sydney.

Am I racist? Not at all.
Am I of Anglo descent? Nope!
Am I Australian born? Yep!
Am I nationalist? You bet!
Do I want to protect the way of life I grew up with? You bet!
Do I want my kids to grow up with that same type of life? You bet!
Do I want to live in a safe environment where there is no threat to me or my family walking down the street? You bet!
Do I want to know that illegals are processed and cleared of any past crimes before being released into my community? You bet!
Are all immigrants bad? Not at all.
Are all immigrants good? Not at all.
Should all immigrants be given free passage to Australia without identification and due process and not have to follow our laws? Not at all.

You can think of me as a redneck, right wing nut, but when when one of these shows comes to a town near you and you see up close and personal what "refugees" are capable of, you may change your view.

I"m not sure how this thread got to all these posts about WW 2 etc on this page but I will add to it by saying a large scale and successful invasion of Australia by Japan in WW 2 would have been militarily and logistically impossible. Period.

If they had succeeded in capturing all of New Guinea They may have later been able to put relatively small numbers of troops ashore in a few select places on the northern coasts maybe to try and attack /capture Darwin for eg, it being the largest "city" north of Brisbane at that time or far north Qld coast but that would have been it.
The biggest result of any localized battles, regardless of outcome on a tactical level would have been one of widespread "fear and panic" amongst the overall Aust population that a "Jap invasion" had indeed begun due to the widespread lack of reliable "news" and intel in those days and the general British prejudice and superior attitude to the capabilities of the Japanese of the period as was seen after Pearl Harbour and subsequent Japanese invasion of SE Asia and the fall of Singapore and then all of Indo etc.

If anything had occured and Australia had fought fiercely as they did throughout the war as opposed to just finally surrendering as the British did in Singapore and taking 1000s of Aussies with them thanks to being outsmarted tactically by the Japenese attack force then the Japs could never have succeeded.

The aforementioned posts are quite interesting across a broad range of topics, however are we forgetting the carnage and warfare that corporate greed/big business/crooked Government officials are unleashing in Australia without barely a mention? These pathetic parasites are causing us untold pain and suffering along with devaluing our lifestyle for the benefit of a tiny minority.
Sure, Indonesia could invade us, Kim Jong Un could extend the range of his Nukes or some other Nupty could unleash biological warfare on us in the form of a disease that attacks our genitals and makes them rot and fall off, but our own people as mentioned above are single handedly f*cking this once great Nation, all we do is bend over and take it while allowing these turds to take advantage of us for their own greed.
Currently the Nation is running itself into a giant hole while a bunch of d#ckheads who are entrusted with our way of life fight out their ego's and personal vandetta's and compare sausage length, and at what price/expense?? The citizens, US! Seriously, it is an absolute disgrace. It must be time for the Citizens to take up arms and fight back so to speak?

gobbledock, I wholeheartedly agree. We, as a nation are being screwed while we have bleeding hearts wanting to show empathy to some illegals invading our borders and draining our resources. Let's have empathy for all the workers that have, or are about to lose their jobs and livelihoods. Look after your own before you look after others. If we don't look out for ourselves, no one else will, especially the corporates or the government.

Came on here to read about developments post the QF announcement. The magnitude of the thread drift only strengthens my belief that there are hardly any professional pilots on this forum anymore - pilots who actually work in the industry we are discussing and know what is going on. Seems the whole thing has been hijacked by people who should be on other forums, spectators balcony etc. This observation from most of the threads on this forum. PPrune aint what it used to be....:*

QF94,

Just a quick one as I have a few things to do; I'll edit longer, later.

But one point - Newman wasn't the first political hit in Aust - a Turkish consul-general was assassinated in Sydney's east some years earlier and I'm sure there were other 'hits' in earlier years.

For the record, I do not think you're a racist / redneck, etc. I just think your arguments are unsupported by the evidence you present.

Any chance that we can discuss announcements from Qantas on this thread?

Our Kev has just dropped a clanga, and has basically just stuffed the ranga, Eh, mods this certainly effects the airlines, the ranga being a mate of Joyce's if you get my drift. So how does Abbott feel about QF? It has suddenly become very important.:D

DEC just anounced from Emirates, this will get interesting for the idiot managers at QF, standby for an exodus! This will play out over a few months but I am betting my middle finger it will cause problems for QF AND Jetstar!

Back to discussion about the announcement and the outcomes of meetings.... well we can't discuss anything! Mrs Sue B. sent an email to AME unions today in "disappointment" at their notice to members which gave a few very basic and obvious facts.

We must all hold tight for 8 weeks and are not allowed to know what's being discussed?

QF94, agree with all you say! One of the reasons I left Sydney.

A Singapore National EIR Lame, A330,B777, B744 with 6 (yes SIX) kids has just been granted PR from the Australian Government! I can not believe what a joke it is! I heard this from the horses mouth.

this has to be stopped!

back to the topic
 

BSC well done in getting back to the topic....all good reading but it is about the job redundo's and movement....just read the ALAEA notice poor guys in mel MOC and the proff's engineers hope they move the ones around that want to move otherwise lots of drama......a little closer to home FOUR from bne int/dom....wow will be a LOT of unhappy campers my guess about twenty plus from both sides want out...hope all ends well......the rim