I believe your spot on Nev N.
I dream of a time that "service provider" means more than just PR hype.

Ok, wrong choice of words. There are pilots that call a high speed descent 270IAS to 25 miles and there are those who call it 300 till 15, same same ATC.

Yes, I've heard the same old " you don't have the big picture " excuses before and of course I don't expect any controller to actually admit there are good and bad controllers.

What absolute BS ! HKG has the language issue, some very poor English, the issue of a lot of local pilots doing their own thing eg 180IAS at 30nm and you think having T/props, that are quite often as fast as jets in close, is a problem.
Guanzhou, Macau, Shenzen and Zuhai within spitting distance and nothing leaves the ground in HKG to head north without a clearance from china. Couple all this with far more traffic 24/7 than Perth could ever conceive.
Your comments just prove you lot need to get out and see a real airport in operation.

airdualbleeedfault, it does not matter at all how bad arse Hong Kong may be, 40 acft rocking up to arrive or taxi in a 30 minute window on a single runway is not going to work anywhere in the world. The problem here is that that half wit Two First Names thinks the solution is to ask his customers to change what they want as opposed to finding a way to cater to the market.

He's worked both places recently so he should know!!:=
There is still a couple of HKG ATCs ex PH, we know how hard they work.

Of there are, just as there are incompetent and know all pilots.

That sounds very familiar, I don't care if you have lined someone up behind me with someone else on a 3 mile final, I've landed and I going to take my sweet time getting off at the exit I want, so there....

Been to airports in the States, Middle East, UK and that wonderful place HKG, still reckon individual ATCs in Australia (including PH) work as hard as any in the world. When was the last time you paid ATC a visit, I reckon never?

"Been to airports in the States, Middle East, UK and that wonderful place HKG, still reckon individual ATCs in Australia (including PH) work as hard as any in the world. "

--Wow - big call

Yeah well when I went into VHHH 3 days ago it was NOMAN Star>Vector> Slowdown>vector> Star> speed up 300kts> vector> Vector *now headed south at 300kts @ 4000ft> vector> slow down> Star> runway change> Vector> speed up> cleared for the app call the tower, Between 3 approach controllers a then director before tower.:ok:

Perth would have a pink fit before they coped with the traffic density.

Absolutely not a dig at the controllers, but the work practices shoved down their throats and the lack of real estate.

Perth like Brisbane needs another runway yesterday, not a DFO or parking lot.

However politics and the $ worshipers will stifle our profession until there is a buck to be made by someone actually doing a good job.:mad:

Of course there are & of course we have good days & days when "I could have done that better", same same pilots.

Why do you find it so hard to accept that there are more factors than you can see from the pointy end & on TCAS? Maybe it's actually true......

My arrivals sequence might be a nice "string of pearls", until the flow controller intervenes & tells me to "max him up", "loose another 2 minutes with that one", etc & so forth. The buggering around you're getting from me may be all to do with what is going on in someone else's airspace.

We don't have single man operations in Germany. It is considered dangerous and thus it is very rare that it happens and strictly monitored to be in very low traffic scenarios.

However on the other side its called worlds best practice. Somebody must be wrong.

airdualblahblah

You forgot to mention the highspeed taxiways in HK, landing on one departing on the other, taxiway system that leads to thresholds, no BS noise abatement criteria, 5 terminal area controllers v 2 in PH.

Check out the fragrant harbour thread and see how well HK ATC fare with the locals there.

Small minded, narrow focussed people are what have gotten us into this pickle.

Its about the airport infrastructure, not the individuals.

Liam Bartlett's latest article in the Sunday Times 4th Dec:

Perth Airport is a nightmare | Perth Now

Bravo Liam.

Great article!!

Cheers.

K-Ex.

If only they knew half of the airspace problems...

And today at lunchtime, werent perth atc under pressure due to weather? Arriving traffic being told to expect up to 60 mins delays, traffic choosing to divert to ypkg or ypad, a rapidly diminishing number of parking spots on the apron (it seemed like even those who had private parking werent guaranteed a speedy arrival).... I reckon atc (perth and elsewhere) were working flat chat today.....

Amen to that.

It seems like the people who run airports these days find aviation infrastructure to be an expensive nuisance.

You can add AKL to the list above, they put off building their 2nd runway too. "Retail is where money is to be made" -thats what nearly all airport companies think.

In the immortal words of Master Yoda...
 

There is another runway... and a temporary solution to ease the problem until WAC build the parallel runway at YPPH sometime next decade.