More concerns for QF staff
 

QF seeks rights variations
QANTAS is requesting changes to capacity determinations on a number of international routes, seeking variations which will enable the capacity to also be used “by any wholly-owned subsidiary” of the carrier. The International Air Services Commission yesterday published the requests, relating to the renewal of determinations which expire during 2012.
Affected routes include flights to Germany, Hong Kong, Thailand, and the Philippines, with Qantas in each case requesting renewals of current capacity allocations but with the modifications asking for the ability to operate using an offshoot airline. The move is intriguing given the previously announced plans for QF’s new Asian-based premium
airline, along with the expected rapid expansion of Jetstar International once it begins toreceive its long-awaited 787s.
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lucky Jetstar Asia and Red Q are not "wholly owned"......they can't be....

Why have the clause "wholly owned subsidiary" if there is no scope for another entity under the Qantas sale act? How do they get around this one in the future?
Wait and see i guess.

On the QF website it refers to Jetstar Australia as a "wholly owned subsidary", but only having a 49% stake in Jetstar Asia. Isn't this because local Singaporean law dictates a local carrier must be majority owned by Singaporeans?

Wouldn't this apply to RedQ and therefore how will a partial owned subsidary be able to use this variation that has been applied to the IASC?

I suppose
 

this would be a good idea for AIPA/ALEA/TWU etc. to ask an aviation QC for an informed opinion.:confused:

Wholly-owned sub (which holds the capacity rights) buys space on aircraft owned by partially-owned sub.

Looks to me not far off how the SIN-AKL flights are run - 3K (Jetstar Asia) number on a JQ-operated, VH- airframe.

So you'll have JQ-nnn being flown on a 9V- / 9M- airframe SYD-Asia-FRA.

We all know its only a matter of time before Jetstar gets its first A380 (most likely one of the now delayed QF A380's) and there will be nothing AIPA can do about it. If AIPA and other unions continue to strike, that will only assist in speeding up the arrival of Jetstar's inaugural A380 flight.

NP

AJ openly stated that the next 6 A380 deliveries would be put back (in AJ speak that meas) Jet* probably will take up the option of those A380's and fly then in Europe. Simple as that :ugh:.

Great, 600 bogans on one aeroplane. I'm sure the great unwashed can't wait. Choice!

Yes but can you see the profits that will flow from coffee and muffin sales.

The real issue is when they destroy Qantas, where will they stick all the costs to make it profitable?????

AIPA Pilots on strike? Not recently.
 

If AIPA and other unions continue to strike, that will only assist in speeding up the arrival of Jetstar's inaugural A380 flight.

I hate to burst your bubble New Piper, but AIPA (or more accurately Qantas longhaul pilots) have not been on strike since 1966 and have not even had so much as a 30 second stop work meeting, let alone strike action, in the current dispute. ;)

However, if Qantas Group management have decided to employ the A380 through Jetstar or any other non-mainline entity, there's only one thing that will stop them... and that process may start on October 28th.

NewPiper, you mention AIPA continuing to strike, can you name the first, or any subsequent occasions on which they have conducted an actual strike?

Sorry to spoil such a good story, but Bruce was offered the 6 A380's but declined. He does not want them. Good story anyway.

When it comes to the boards final solution, I doubt weather Bruce gets much of a choice in anything.

Wouldn't matter what Bruce said... At the end of the day he is just a puppet... And a muppet ;)

Xcel,thanks for the laugh.

C441 and jaded boiler, just for the sake of completeness, I am certain that one LH pilot took a one hour stoppage ('strike') earlier this year, basically to keep the work stoppage option alive past the 30 day period to commence PIA.

manfred - your premise is correct. When J* Asia was established about 7 years ago, the Singapore Govt had a shareholding and a couple of other singaporean buinesses to bring it to 51%.

Crusader is correct. The President had 2 stop work meetings with himself before he flew from London to Singapore.

For those who have not seen the QF request of variation of rights, here is the link...

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