Yeah.... It's IS different nowadays.... Get on with it... What I find ridiculous is those that followed crap advice in 1989, actually came back and worked for Impulse and then VB... On lower pay than they were seeking in 89.. Get on with it and move on FFS...be nice to return to what it was.... But it ain't going to happen any time soon... Move on or get another job... Or retire... One of the two!!

Think I must have missed something? Has someone mentioned 89? Did I say I wished things would return to pre 89? Did I say I was an 89er?

My gripe is with the blood sucking leeches who use the term management to describe themselves, who lower the bar and standards so they can earn ludicrous salaries and giant bonuses.

Now I am off to practise my flair and had better not get fired up as that is something any HR professional would find to be naughty!

It's ok everyone, MidnightCobra has set us straight. A guy with a post history consisting ONLY of cadet pilot programs is telling us all how it is these days.

MidnightCobra, you're right, this is a Professional Pilot forum, so why are you here? I'm guessing you haven't any idea about the state of the industry these days.

j3pipercub
 

1. I only created this account 2 weeks ago

2. How do you know that I didn't have another account before this one? Maybe my identity almost got compramised on the previous account?

3. I actually like your posts, and agree with most, but posts like that are not respectful. You're better than that.

I'm not one to start fights or arguments, as I believe it does not show a professional demeanour. I do apologize if I struck a nerve to you or anyone else. All I was simply implying is that there are plenty of other threads for people to voice their opinions about cadet schemes vs GA, and that despite the many debates about it, ranting on about it on public forums will not change a thing. I do know a lot about the aviation industry to make informed judgement calls, albeit what you or others may think.

Midnight,

You may indeed have had another account, still doen't change the fact that you are applying to the Virgin Australia cadetship, ergo, inexperienced and never been employed as a professional pilot.

Please don't lecture me about what is and isn't good enough. Please don't tell me to 'deal with it and get on with our lives'. Our lives, lifestyles and future Terms and Conditions are under threat by these schemes that you seem to be very interested in.

I would love to know how you are able to make informed judgement calls, for someone never employed as a professional pilot. Furthermore, someone earns respect, it is not a given.

j3

j3
 

I work for a reputable airline, and I constantly talk to highly experienced pilots, maybe i've even spoken to you!, and I also talk to other industry experts. Look obviously as a private pilot I was in no position to "set straight" the likes of yourself (experienced professional pilots), and I apologize that I struck some nerves. In my defence, I read a lot of threads on here and very quickly they often drift of course due to rant type abrassive arguments/debates, that is all I was trying to prevent. Tell me j3, which would you rather prefer:

Post 1: You're all stupid for applying for this cadet program!!!!! :mad: Lots of us did the hard yards in GA and you're stupid for doing the cadet way!!!! :ugh: You are undermining this industry and degrading the pilot profession!!!! Bloody tw@ts you lot!!!!! :yuk:

or

Post 2: This cadet scheme offers a lower package than that of a direct entry, you will be getting paid less than the DEFO doing the same job as you. If you refuse to accept these lower T&Cs, management will have no choice but to keep good conditions. -insert other educational info here- etc etc

Its exagerrated a little but you get the point.

Midnight,

If those were your 2 options, then not a problem. However your attitude in the Cathay thread seemed to be one of resignation to the low terms and conditions for 'new starts'. Fast forward 10-20 years and follow the situation to its most logical conclusion. Do you see perhaps that the attitude that you are worth less will grossly devalue an Industry that you seem to be involved in?

I think you will find that the posters who get their rant on are so exhausted from dealing with the likes of no.boundaries. If you look at the start of the Cathay thread you will see the likes of Dan Buster and 404Titan fairly calm and level if memory serves.

Great windup no.boundaries, hope you enjoy TungChung for the rest of your life while your wife entertains all the other pilots while you're down route, how else can she afford a drink with what you're getting paid?? How did you know I was a Skygod? Did you see my website? I knew it'd catch on...

http://Www.pantslessskygod.org/weari...exyandiknowit/

j3

Righto you lot.

Keep the personal stuff out of it!

If you have answers for the questions people are asking, feel free to post.

If you want to bitch and moan - take it elsewhere!!

Low-tolerance TID.

j3
Agreed you make a good point, but I most certainly do not condone the lowering of the T&Cs of pilots or any profession for that matter. It degrades the future conditions of future generations. Having said that, if the guy next to me is willing to accept these conditions, and I cant stop them so that management wil raise conditions.. what do I do? work hard in GA only to arrive to the same conditions that are being offered now? (assuming the worst of course)

I don't have the solution to that conundrum other than to say, you will have a lot more fun in GA than you ever will in an airline environment, and the times and stories during your time there may open your eyes to the fact that there is more to flying than ILS to ILS and autopilot on above 1000'. Furthermore, you may find that your life is richer for staying out of the airline environment, you may discover another path that you may not have been able to persue through the cadetship path eg. Aeromed.

In a perfect world, anyone wanting to fly for a living would have enough self worth not to sell out the people currently working in the industry. We all know that a perfect world is not attainable thanks to no.boundaries and his ilk.

However, at a glance, the VA cadetship does seem the best of a bad bunch.

j3

j3

Again, very true and good point. I have to make it into the program first anyways so no point getting hopes up. GA is definitely still a primary goal for myself (instructor rating, flying up north etc). Yes this program seems to have a lot better conditions/gaurantees than the likes of CX, Jet* and Qlink.

DJ hopeful
 

Recieved my reply from Virgin today!! Very excited. Made it to the next stage. Goodluck anyone else who has tried out:)

The next stage involves completing a Cognitive Ability test. Should you be shortlisted again, you will be invited to do some presentations, Group excercises and interviews in Brisbane. From that they will inform you if you made the cut.

cheers and good luck

I find it highly unlikely that jjfly would have heard back from VA this early considering application for the program closed just over 2 weeks ago:


"7. How long will the selection process take?
The selection process is expected to take 8- 10 weeks from the close of advertising.You will receive notification if you have been short listed to participate in our assessment process within four to six weeks of the application close date. Due to the high number of applications received it is not possible to provide individual feedback to unsuccessful applicants".

I don't mean to be rude and he/she may be telling the truth but given the way that most of these cadetship threads end up going I wouldn't be suprised if it's a windup, especially seeing as the user account was only created on August 29.

No offence intended.

I know of a few have had replies. I think everyone that put an application in with minimal experience gets to do cognitive testing online, same as when you apply for atc. This is when the real culling starts

(Diesel Pilot)-Hi, Indeed ive only created my account a few days,and yes i have made it to the next stage, the cognitive ability test. And so have a few others.

jjfly

That's great to hear and congratulations on making it to the next stage. Thanks for not taking my post in the wrong way, it wasn't intended to be offensive.

I am suprised that they have started contacting people so soon. What was your flying experience prior to applying for the cadet pilot program if you don't mind me asking? I'm wondering how accurate Jay Bo is in saying that the cognitive ability testing is for people with minimal flying experience.

Good luck!

Cadetship
 

I have also heard a reply from Virgin and I am going to do the cognitive test shortly.

In response to your question diesel, i have my PPL - 100hours - 3 CPL tests complete. In saying that, i am employed by Virgin Australia already. Hope this helps!

Haggis777

Thanks for the info and great to hear they've been in touch with you. I'm pre PPL sitting on about 50 hours, submitted my application on August 1. I'm yet to hear anything back.

Out of interest how did they contact you; email, phone etc? I ask since I remember creating some sort of profile when applying and wondered if somehow communications are linked through that. Also what do you currently do at Virgin?

Congrats again mate.

Guys,

Those of you curious about contact times, who's got an interview etc, please use the private message function between yourselves, rather than tie the thread up.

That's what it's for.

Thanks.