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Yes, you are confused. I did not take direct entry command in NZ. Started as FO, worked hard. Could have started on EBA, taken LWOP and got command in NZ, before one day returning - not now.

Mistake I made was that when the most senior management looked me in the eye and said the salary situation would soon be addressed, I believed them.

For over two years now, we've heard the same, same old tune. It goes like this: "believe us, we know the problem we will address it"; "we are listening to your concerns, it will soon change".

Meeting, after meeting, after meeting. Assurances, after assurances.

And the reality is that it is all lies and lip service.

Used and abused, we prostitute our services, only difference being those in the cross just take home a lot more cash.

Making career decisions and signing up to unwritten promises?

FFS.

A very familiar tune, check out Fragrant Harbour on Hong Kong Express/Airlines. SAME SAME. Look at the pilots leaving there en-mass. I hear leaving to Emirites and others in the sand pit.

Dont get me wrong here. I think Jetstar is the worst thing to happen in aviation since the advent of the shoe-bomb and would love to see the guys stick it to them...... However there is a part of me that thinks you signed a cr@p contract that sold yourselves and your profession short, thus limiting my sympathy.
But I guess it could be worse, you could be working for Eagle?:E

Sounds like its going to be a busy 6 months for the NZALPA lawyers.

Start-up's always pay low in the begining, though whether or not JetStar NZ can be called a start-up is debatable.

Virgin Blue (as it was known back then for the smart a#%es) B737 captains started on just over $113,000 base salary & now look at it. From another thread -

You really can't blame someone from signing up on a low salary with management promises that it will improve as the operation beds down & becomes profitable. Unfortunately what management do from that point on is well out side the pilot group's control.

And J*NZ still on $A100,000. It really does beg belief :confused:

I thought most skippers were pulling in around 185k+. Yes its NZ dollars, but still better than Jitconnect and Pacbro etc who are also payed in NZ dollars.

Really, man how much does a Jitconnect Capt earn?

is it true a Jetstar Airways captun is making $185KNZ

Not far off:

130,000 basic
2,000 - 3000 per month for overtime (average) = 30,000
20,000 per year retention bonus.

= 180,000 ish per year, this is if everything works out o.k. though and you work overtime every month (not a problem at the moment) and they continue to pay the FULL retention bonus (which they have so far). Problem is that you can't rely on this continuing.

AH, how many hours overtime is that to obtain an average 2000-3000 incentive per month?

15 hours (2,000) - 25 hours (3,000). Currently $120 per hour over 65 hours for the month. Captains seem to be sat around the 85 block hour mark on average, I have seen 80 hour months and 100 hour months though.

This overtime payment shortly to go up to $185 per month.

To wheeliebin.

So let me get this right, you took a command to look after yourself, undercut your mates who were probably telling you how **** the deal was that you were about to sign, but you still looked after number 1 and now you don't like it????

typical!

"you make your bed, you sleep in it" come to mind?, i hope you can improve your t and c's but at the the end of the day the only person to blame for your current conditions is you.

Jetconnect is currently on their B737-300 domestic contract which expires this month. So still on a similar contract to AirNZ domestic B737 contract.

Current rates, $137,000 base. Retention guaranteed $22500. Incentive $180hr over 65 hours in the month, cash allowances currently averaging $1600 month.

So based on a 126 seat aircraft flying domestic B737-300, current Jetconnect captains doing 65 hours per month will earn just under $180,000. if a jetconnect captain is doing 80 hrs per month he/she will earn $201,000.

So considering that Jetconnect is on a crap contract and considering it is still on their old B737-300 domestic contract, it's not too bad. I would assume Jetconnect will be going for an amendment pay increase on their new contract to reflect Tasman only flying and a shift to a 168 Seat B737-800 fleet.

Jetstar, Jetconnect and PAC Blue need to lift their games.

Oh, Standard. You could not possibly be more wrong.

After many years in Europe, I was only offered the NZ position. I was not offered, nor did I get DEC. I thought NZ would be good for my family - and other than dealing with earthquakes and a damaged house it is.

There has been many, many broken promises made by senior management, hence the unprecedented anger from all J* NZ.

I started under a huge degree of ignorance of the EBA / contracts / J* exploitation of labour setup. I am guilty of being ignorant, naive, whatever you want to call it. Guilty of undercutting mates never !!!!! Some older Impulse guys will remember me being taken off a ground school when I queried being upgraded over others more senior. I lost my job over sticking up for mates, standing up for seniority and opposing pilot providing company contracts. Before slipping, away I had the last laugh in court. I stand up against injustice, and stand up for my mates.

You could not be more wrong Mr Standard.

The Same impulse guys who set the lowest benchmark in aviation for jet jobs?

Good on you for standing up for yourself, but my comment still stands, you did not have to take it. I hope for all of aviations sake and your own you can get a better deal.

Standard - you stated in Aug 2004:
Ever thought you may be a bit of a hypocrite????
Clearly you were happy for the UK operation to undercut the Aus FA T&C

No doubt you we one of the guys applying for an AO position to get a command out of seniority....

Perhaps you should look there at the begining of the QF T&C being eroded.

Gee CL you dug deep to find that, well I guess I should retract my statement.

As you have correctly pointed out my opinion on how the cabin and flight deck are crewed differ significantly.

AO was fully endorsed by AIPA and was at the detrement of no mainline crew.

No I did not take a command, but fully endorse anyone who did.

Given the NZ dollar is now on it's ways south towards 70-72 US cents (and back eventually to about 55) I'm wondering how many here who initially felt that what Jet* put on the table was moderately competitive for DEC's recently.....are now thinking?
Good on all those who stand up, as Corp Jones is apt to say "they don't like it up em" :ok:

But surely you only give a t*ss what the NZD is compared to the USD if you are thinking of moving on overseas again. Jetstar NZ is not a contract to make money from, is is currently and will remain the best DEC jet job available in New Zealand. Living in New Zealand and not China, Middle East is personally worth more to me than all these contracts / middle eastern carriers can offer.

But hey, each to their own, all I can say is that screwing a better deal out of Jetstar is good for everyone in the end.