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Good for you C.A.S.A

Good work C.A.S.A The grounding of an entire airline is unprecidented but had to be done.
The incident at AVALON is only the tip of the ICEBERG...and dont we know it.

Take heed others dont come in this country and expect to get away with it.

..I expect this post to be merged with TIGER TALES but I like every body is entitled to their say in this matter.

If its a major wake up call to others not to cut corners on training and safety then I guess its a good thing for everybody...

Yes, good on you CASA. Now what are you going to do with the other trouble children.

The infamous go around in melbourne

Investigation: AO-2007-044 - Go-around event Melbourne Airport, Victoria, 21 July 2007, VH-VQT, Airbus Industrie A320-232

darwin departure

Investigation: AO-2011-073 - Performance related event - Airbus, A321-231, VH-VWX, Darwin Airport, 12 June 2011

and any others you care to add.

In fact, lets shut 'em all down now. they're all equally guilty of similar or worse incidents. :ok:

Not to mention Air Asia's little incident at the Gold Coast

Are they not working under an AOC and safety system approved by CASA?

If such action is required, is it a failure of the company, or of the regulator?

Very flawed and cynically decision by CASA.

Jet Star should have been shut down a years ago if using the same decision process.

My guess a Senate Inquiry has a lot to do with this.

Tiger is far far worse than Jetstar. Tiger was warned and warned. End of story

I fail to see how Tiger Intl is any different to Tiger Domestic, except where the aircraft are registered.They would both be run with the same 'ethos' in mind.

Surely the management culture is the same, and that the Singaporean Tiger is run a heck of a lot leaner than the Australian Tiger.

If CASA is too weak to confront Garuda over repeated breaches of their B737 operations into Perth in the last few years, then I doubt whether they would take the Singaporean Tiger to task. It's probably more of a diplomatic/foreign affairs issue there. Aussie Tiger is a lot easier to punch in the nose for breaching Australian standards. Its good to see CASA act, even if other Australian based airlines needed similar action to be taken.

I have also wondered if there will be a retaliatory attack on Jetstar in Singapore in a few months time as a way of saving 'face'.

Tiger will not recover from this and will exit the Australian market. Their 9000 (according to the paper) passengers per day will probably choose Jetstar instead.

A sudden increase of 9000 pax per daywill make Jetstar look very good and profitable.

Pressure on CASA from the de facto Australian regulator (QF) anyone?

I smell a conspiracy.

Finally a CASA acting as a REGULATOR for a change.

Time to bring all the operators into the cold hard light of day and expose them for what they really are.

Penny pinching, mealy mouthed, pen pushers whose only understanding of aviation is that the first class cabin is where they go when they go on holidays or company funded strike breaking jaunts.

It's up to Tiger to fix the problem and CASA to ensure its fixed.

Thumbs up to CASA for their decision. One has to remember CASA doesn't care about financial hardships made by their decisions, nor should they. All they are concerned about is SAFETY ! What does a smoking whole at the end of a runway cost an airline, the industry and the comunity ?

It's also not CASA's job to train people to run airlines, it's the AOC holders job to do that. Another thing what one has to consider is that CASA regulate the industry, they don't make the rules !

Safety before the dollar !

Remember this is the same CASA that grounded Ansett 767s years ago. That was political. Is this?

On the surface apparently there is some justification but would they have done that to QF or Jetstar.... I think not.

All Tiger flight crew are currently on full pay and will remain so until they re commence flying next week.

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All Tiger flight crew are currently on full pay and will remain so until they re commence flying next week.

Is it true that Tiger pilots are paid a relatively low base rate which is then topped up by an hourly stick rate? If so, do you know if they're being paid the base or what they would ordinarily earn?

I would suggest CASA should perhaps have a closer look at Jetstar operation in NZ (again under an Australian AOC), but I understand that there is a lot of low time drivers willing to work for low pay and conditions and have made a few mistakes that could be considered reportable offences. Does CASA really know what is going on over there?

By Howard Hughes

"Are they not working under an AOC and safety system approved by CASA?

If such action is required, is it a failure of the company, or of the regulator?"

I would think it is obvious that they have an approved system they just don't use it and have been found wanting , the regulator has acted in an appropriate
way

StarSkate,

So you think it's the regulators job to hold the hand of an AIRLINE in how to go about its business? You have to be kidding! Retrain the people who are meant to be running the show, NO WAY. The tax payer shouldn't have to fund the CASA for it to hold the hand of a company whose turn over is in the hundreds of millions. It may be acceptable for a GA start-up to get this sort of help, but a HC RPT JET AIRLINE! Where is the industry going if that's the case?

If you ask me (yes, you did!), it simply comes down to money, fund the Flt and Maint. departments and there wouldn't be this problem.

BGQ you state

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Remember this is the same CASA that grounded Ansett 767s years ago. That was political.

Do you have any facts to back that statement up or are you just prattling on?

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As far as I recall, CASA did NOT ground the Ansett 767 fleet. Ansett were warned, and under significant scrutiny regarding maintenance anomalies, but it was ANSETT that ultimately elected to ground the fleet.

It looks to me from the quote below that it was CASA that grounded the Ansett fleet.

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Mick Toller Good afternoon everybody. Being in charge as I am of Aviation safety and safety matters on behalf of the Government and the travelling public is a difficult job and sometimes brings you some difficult decisions.
It's a risk management job. What's happened today is that effectively we've got the last straw in a series of issues that have bedevilled Ansett.
I received a report this morning of an Ansett aircraft that had been flying for eight flights with the passenger escape slides not working, not armed, as a result of a maintenance error last weekend in the hangar.
That was on Saturday night. It flew through Sunday, and the error was picked up on Monday morning and resolved.
As I say, this - in fact it's one more issue in Ansett's 767 maintenance tale of woes and for me I'm afraid it's the last straw.
As such, we have informed Ansett that their 767 fleet is grounded as of 10 o'clock tonight.
The reason for this is to allow CASA as the authority itself to satisfy our selves that the correct maintenance has been done on that aircraft, and that those aircraft are in fact genuinely airworthy and fit to fly.
Now that's a process that will start tonight. It's a process that will take I don't know how long because it depends on what we find. It's going to be a matter of looking at all the paperwork. It's a matter of looking at what maintenance should have been done, what maintenance has been done. It's also a matter of physically looking at the aircraft to ensure that the maintenance that should have been has been done.
It's a big task. I have to say that. And we're talking about the whole of the Ansett 767 fleet.
Now additional to that on Friday of next week, that's Friday the 20th of April, we will be serving on Ansett 14 days notice to give us reasons why their certificates should not be cancelled.
Now that's a process that exists. It's a normal process, but what we're saying to them is on Monday I said to you, look, in three months time we want to be hearing from Ansett that all the problems that have been resolved, of all the problems that we discovered as a result of the Christmas grounding of the 767s and the Easter grounding of the 767s have been resolved.
What I've effectively done is to raise the ante on that. I've said we want those answers in three weeks and not in three months, and they've got to be very solid answers or Ansett is out of business.
Now the pressure is now on Ansett to answer those criticisms that have been made. We believe they have significant weaknesses in their management processes and their organisational structure. A lot of work has been done since Christmas to start to resolve those issues, however we believe there is still a lot more that needs to be done, particularly in their management of maintenance, and we'll be looking for some pretty strong and pretty solid answers from Gary Toomey by three weeks from now.
I think that's all that we have to say as a statement.

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I would think it is obvious that they have an approved system they just don't use it and have been found wanting

They wouldn't be the first, so why the action now? Were they asked to show 'just cause' first?

I don't think this will play out how most are expecting.