Qantas : Some astute Commentary
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No, Jetstar never reported through or to JB. JB was responsible for mainline.
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Lester ...
JB ran Qantas. Joyce ran Jetstar. They each reported to Dixon. It is my understanding that JB had frequent disagreements with Dixon, and his NOT getting the CEO position to replace Dixon was directly related to his views on Jetstar's place in the Universe. I believe my sources to be reliable. N |
Everyone knows Jetstar is Qantas. Each and every time people feel ripped off or mishandled by Jetstar, which is often, the knife is dug deeper and twisted further into what is left of the Qantas brand. Don't Fly Jetstar - A place to share your Jetstar complaints A great association, for the premium brand's image. |
Pfft. That's nothing. Try googling:
Jetstar Serena Chen And see what you get. :yuk::yuk::yuk: |
Lucky the larvae wasn't in the muffins! - Jetstar wouldn't survive if the muffins were removed from the menu, after all Bruce Buchanan is (I believe) on record saying that Jetstar only makes money from the sale of muffins.
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Very astute comments.
I would like to draw your attention to the following documents: CEO's speech calling Qantas a "Legacy Airline". http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/...essAGM2004.pdf It would be instructive to compare the salaries and conditions of QF pilots and engineers vs. the others around the world. Are they excessive? I don't believe so. Qantas Advice to shareholders regarding the APA bid. http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/...sStatement.pdf This raises the question the market asked about why a private operator would wish to buy a "Legacy Airline"? I would also refer you to this article - about the blurring of the divide between the LCC model and the "Legacy" model. When the low-cost airlines entered the European market in the mid-1990s they brought a complete change in business philosophy. By keeping their costs to a minimum they aimed to bring low-fares to the travelling public, achieving this by taking away many of the traditional services offered by the full-service carriers. First went the free in-flight service, then the free checked bag allowance; but the legacy carriers were quick to react as they lost traffic to their new rivals. This has caused what we have today, a major blurring of the divide between the low-cost and traditional airlines, with a new hybrid model between the two extremes now being adopted by almost all. Blurring the Low-Cost and Legacy Airline Divide :: Routesonline As an aside, Air New Zealand was branded a "Legacy Airline", look at it now. They may not yet be profitable, but everyone from top to bottom appears to be aligned and working their backsides off for the shareholder. It appears to me that the Board and Management of Qantas are "stuck on stupid" and totally focused on demonising unions. This is the last centurys battle. Margaret Jackson would have absorbed it from her economics lectures in the Old Pathology building. Dixon would have read about "Legacy Airlines" in an American context which is very different. Meanwhile the world has moved on from that argument. The Board and management of QANTAS are fighting yesterdays battles with yesterdays weapons. They can't deliver and they won't change. They have to go. |
As far as QF Mainline pilots go, their salaries are "middle of the pack" worldwide.
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....And this just to hand, while hearsay, if true, confirms my previous opinion, Two posts back, that the QF Board and Management strategy is backward looking, set in concrete, and totally wrong:
Yesterday I was contacted by a Qantas pilot. He gave me details of a friend who had been engaged by the airline as a consultant to do some work around the outsourcing of Qantas aircraft components. After looking at all the figures and reviewing the benefits/negatives of outsourcing the work, he advised them that the best option was to keep the work in-house. His consultancy with Qantas was thereby terminated because it was not the answer they were seeking. He claimed to be the third consultant to come to that conclusion, they were all terminated. From this example it has confirmed with us the problem we face negotiating an outcome with another party that appears not, or does not want to listen. However tight we can construct maintenance proposals that offer the best and most viable solution to the Qantas business, they want to take it to another place regardless of the evidence before them. Post 1092: http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...-begin-55.html |
Can anyone confirm Shovels "helpful" assertion?
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Hi Shovel ,
If you want to quote the figure for the highest paid longest serving second officer in Qantas doing only high overtime LA flying you may get close to a figure of 180 with allowances and super etc . The average Qantas 2nd Officer gets nowhere near that amount ( they also arent 200 hour cadets ) . In fact most Qantas first officers dont get that amount and I know 737 Capts who dont get that much anymore . Sorry to burst your bubble champ but you have no idea what you are talking about . I apologise for trashing your statement with actual facts. |
Sunfish,
Shovel's assertion can be safely discarded. N |
To compare apples with apples, a year one S/O, on all fleets in QF, has a base pay of around 75k.
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He Shovels Shite
So you've backed off from $180k then you come up $100k in allowances.
Qualify "allowances' for us please.It should prove to be most interesting You should change your PPrune location to QCA9 Another management troll is born.Do you guys ever do any work ? How much does the CEO of Cathay earn? Compare it to the wage of Dixon's illegitimate Irish son.I think you find that salary excessive You sure know a lot of people who are prepared to discuss their salaries with you |
Great post there Shovel. I don't know anyone on this forum who has so clearly demonstrated their total ignorance and bias with such lightning speed.:D
Tax is a benefit? Dry cleaning? 100K in allowances?!?!? You told us the base pay of a Cathay SO. Well not quite because you didn't mention the size of the housing allowance. No matter; are you telling us the Cathay SO doesn't get any allowances, provident fund, overtime? When I tell you the base pay of a first year QF SO is 75k a year, it doesn't mean they can't earn more. But on 160 credited hours a bid period and no overtime, that is what they earn. You are so far off in the allowances thing I can't be bothered shooting you down. I think my time would be better spent hitting the ignore button. |
Would you guys stop saying that CX gets much more than QF
I just looked at our pay scales and a year 4 SO gets $71000 AUD plus maybe another $10000 in hourly pay. He is an expat so he gets a small housing allowance to allow him to buy/rent a small flat comparable to what he was used to living in back home. HK has some if the most expensive rental property in the world. Keg and I compared our A330 Aussie base Captain pay and we are about the same. So stop saying CX are way better paid. |
I just looked at our pay scales and a year 4 SO gets $71000 AUD plus maybe another $10000 in hourly pay. He is an expat so he gets a small housing allowance to allow him to buy/rent a small flat. And sorry, how much tax does your mate pay? Maybe 15% and that's it. No medicare levies, flood levies, etc. |
Originally Posted by The Spade
A Qf S/O base pay is $75000 for the first year.
I assume that is without tax, holiday, sick days, super, drycleaning, and every other benefit taken out. And you guys claim Qantas management is full of **** and make up numbers. As an A330 S/O starting in 2007 the base was $85000. Another S/O I know on the 747 got close to $160 000 last year. So he made nearly $100 000 in allowances. Yep, your pay is not excessive. apples, oranges and all that.... :rolleyes: |
The Engineers I know who work at CX have got sizeable yearly bonuses as well.
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Irrelevant.
I'm based and I get the same money as a QF A330 skipper and without any expat allownances AND I pay full tax. I have a veery good mate of mine on the 744 with QF as a SO that pulled in 160k easily every year after only 5 or 6 years. A SO in CX would only ever dream of that including any expat allowances and reduced tax. Anyway don't get me wrong, I wish you guys all the best with your fight against the rot of AJ. I hope you all get a pay rise because CX compare us to you guys......... We need a target too!! |
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