Gravity. Is that it?

Either the particles fall out of the sky on their circumnavigation of the bottom half of the globe to get to Aussie/NZ or they dont.

Ergo, it is safe to fly under forecast ash areas, as also thought by every other airline except the QF group.

:hmm:

edited to add: even if there were ash particles still falling out of suspension, a) would you expect to see evidence on the a/c the flew under it, and b) wouldnt the forecast ash areas extend down to grd lvl?

I have heard from several sources that Qantas assisted their disrupted high end customers with their travel plans by re booking them on other carriers who were flying the Tasman during the recent chaos.

If correct it sits uncomfortably with their stance of not flying until it was "safe".

A typical conversation.
 

" Hello. Qantas Reservations? Rob Mercer from Forsayth Barr here**. [** Not the customer's real name]. I'm one of your frequent flyers and you've just cancelled my flight. Look, I really, really have to get back to Auckland for a meeting of the NZ Underarm Bowling Association but my ticket is endorsed as only for Qantas Group flights. Anything you can do to help?"
RES : "Certainly Mr Mercer. In the current circumstances, I am authorised to endorse your ticket over to another airline. Do you have a preference?"
MERCER : "Well, Air New Zealand are still flying. Can you endorse it to them?"
RES : "I'm sure we can help you out with that request. Sorry we can't get you to your meeting this time. Have a nice flight. Give our best wishes to Mr Fyfe".

Apart from the last sentence, that would be typical of many recent conversations on the Qantas Res Line and at Ticketing Desks at airports.
What's the problem?

Captain Gidday - Re message for the the real world.

What a lot ot tripe you wrote there. The odd man out here is Qantas. You know the old saying "When everyone is going in the opposite direction to yourself, perhaps it's you that's going the wrong way."

Do you think that may apply here? There's plenty of evidence to show that the dangers to aircraft are within a few hundred miles of and within a certain time frame of the eruption. Don't you think that Qantas has over reacted?

Better go now as the Chapple brothers are about to give a presentation on the art of Under Arm Bowling. :rolleyes:

Quoting 27/09 (Gravity Sceptic ???)
I hope the Chappell Brothers will be attending too.

27/09 - your posts display a certain amount of arrogance.

Qantas is being more conservative than other airlines wrt volcanic ash but there is no way to know which airline has got it right. Qantas has experienced a volcanic ash encounter in the past (a B747 Combi) which was not particularly close to the eruption but the damage sustained was extensive with the repairs taking approx 8 months.

there is a lot of research going on as to what concentrations of ash are acceptable to fly in - until that research is complete, I'm happy to take a conservative approach.

And in different circumstances it's also known as 'group think'. :ugh: :rolleyes:

Well, gravity is only a theory, after all. ;)

Thread Name?
 

Bit of drift gents

Packrat - Thread drift possibly but the perception of Qantas and its recent decisions have a very big impact on that share price.

Reports of ash-cloud damage to planes pie in the sky, say carriers | The Australian

Captain Giday - "The problem" is twofold.

One - The perception that Qantas is more interested in its own reputation than its customers welfare.

Two - That the holier than thou attitude towards its competitors in making their own operational decisions will come back to bite Qantas quite squarely on its arse.

Its a very long fall from that high horse they are riding!

Ad-astra.
1. You're a Virgin pilot, Yes?
2. You appear to be losing your objectivity. Yes!
Apart from the above, love your work.

Captain Gidday

If the name of my employer is all that you can use to argue your point then so be it.

The perception does exsist in the wider community.

Funny thing objectivity ......isn't it.

In any case it will be the travelling public and the share market who decide.

ad-astra +1

Share Price Jump~More Shorting ?
 

QAN opened 10 cents higher today to hover around $1.95

The only way aj can up the share price... Rely on other brands to be managed even worse than his own house of bs:ugh:

Shares hit 2.02. Hey this plan is really working. Well done AJ and CASA

Just a $ 3.60 inrease will see it back to were it was before the bid was scuttled . Would be tempted to sell at thhat price . Can CASA ground a few more ? please!

VBA shares up 6.35% in early Thursday trade. QAN shares up 1%.

Make that 9.5% for VBA and 0.5% for QAN.

David Hunt of Adest who has been described by the Australian Financial Review as the bell ringer is now calling for QF to fall to 69c per share. He says the institutions are deserting QF.