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fmcinop 24th Mar 2011 11:24

New tiger agreement.
 
NEW TIGER AGREEMENT - SUMMARY OF KEY POINTS
The following is a summary of the new Tiger Agreement. There is much more covered by the agreement, but these are some of the main points. Any AFAP member wanting a comprehensive analysis can contact Steve Littlewood at the AFAP and ask for the full summary.
Wages Increase of 12% over 27 months to salaries, flight pay, allowances and additions to salary.
Based on 840 hours, new annual rates (base plus flight pay) will be as follows:
$ $
Current: Capt: 173,320 FO: 105,240
1/4/11: Capt: 188,984 FO: 114,770
1/7/12: Capt: 194,664 FO: 118,216
Checking and Training
1/4/11 1/4/12
LIP $39.50 $40.69
per training flight hour
CHK/LCC $54.50 $56.14
per flight training hour
AFE $29,500 $30,385
per annum
Grd Inst $470.00 $484.00
per day of training
Professional Retention Payment after each three years’ service:
(Capt) $30,000; (FO) $20,000
Sign on bonus: (Capt) $2600; (FO) $1600

Loss of Licence: $1540 (from 1/4/12) and $1586.20 (from 1/4/13).
New Allowances: call outs, late finishes, cancelled flights, secondary duties, overnight and meals, uniforms, transfers.

Pilot Indemnity: in the event of an accident or damage to equipment.
Accident Pay in event of an injury at work.

Seniority based on date of joining to determine equipment assignments, retention and redundancy, transfers; training base and aircraft type allocation; upgrades.

10 days off in 28 for pilots on flexible rostering system, and comprehensive rostering protocol.
Training: right to re-training, three checks and different check captain in event of fail.

Upper Respiratory Tract Infection (URTI) Leave: Six days per year.

Consultation and dispute resolution procedures as mentioned
National Employment Standards: Parental Leave, Personal Leave, Long Service Leave, Jury leave etc

captwawa 24th Mar 2011 11:33

Based on 840 hours!!!!!!!!!

Are you saying that will be what each person is expected to fly each year? These figures are base + flight pay so no extra? wow

The consensus was that hours flown would reduce dramatically when the parties settled.

Can't get over 840 as the long term figure. Might as well sleep in a 320 at night and get ready the next morning :sad:

killa loop 24th Mar 2011 20:46

TT vs JQ vs DJ
 
I hear from a friend at JQ that most of them are hovering around 900 hrs. Looks to me like Tigers pay is now superior.

Leaves Jetstar looking like a fairly grim place to work;
Less money for more flying
Threat of losing flying and base transfers to the Gen Y cadets
Multiple workplace agreements for the same job
Name up in lights in the senate
Offshoring strategy for expansion
A very poor payroll department
Highly disengaged workforce
Floor level morale amongst the workforce in general

On ya John Borgetti!!

SilverSleuth 24th Mar 2011 21:45

You will get to 840 hours a year quite easily. Equates (and I say roughly) to about 72 hours stick in a 28 day roster with 6 weeks off per year. Certainty is a major step up from what they were getting and really makes Jetstar look lousy. Wonder if the rush to singapore and NZ will stop now as people apply to tiger.
Probably not knowing pilots.
At least this is going in the right direction.

Sunstar320 24th Mar 2011 22:37

Hours are more up in the 900-950 mark, depends which base you are at.

Not bad considering overnights are quite minimal, ADL base good roster, no overnights.

Mr. Hat 24th Mar 2011 22:39


Training: right to re-training, three checks and different check captain in event of fail.
Haven't seen this one before. Good on them.

So now Tiger has a better EBA than Jetstar. What about Strategic out of interest. What is their deal?

Starting to sound like Jetstar TC's are right at the bottom now.
TT an ultra low cost Singapore owned carrier have a better deal WOW.

Can't wait to see the J* EBA.

Actually It's a toss up between J* and V Aus for the worst conditions now.

ACT Crusader 24th Mar 2011 22:46

fmcinop - thanks for posting. What's the feeling of employees on this outcome? On face value, the big ticket items look good. Geez 12% for just over 2 years is nothing to scoff out in this climate (even with a bit of catch up for TT pilots). And what was the sign on bonus for? Back pay or just an "incentive"?

PoppaJo 24th Mar 2011 22:56

How long until AirAsia start paying more than Jetstar I wonder...Thats right, they already do! :ugh::ugh:

Mr. Hat 25th Mar 2011 00:57

Do they? Anyone know what they pay?

So is J* NZ the lowest paying of them all?

Tailed 25th Mar 2011 01:59

J* lowest by a country mile
 
Mr Hat .... V Aus's EBA is near completion so their conditions will be much improved very soon. SS is well gone and JB has made clear his desire to resolve the EBA quickly. If Tiger and V can do decent deals why does QF have to create the angst it does!!!!

fmcinop 25th Mar 2011 03:33


]ACT Crusader fmcinop - thanks for posting. What's the feeling of employees on this outcome? On face value, the big ticket items look good. Geez 12% for just over 2 years is nothing to scoff out in this climate (even with a bit of catch up for TT pilots). And what was the sign on bonus for? Back pay or just an "incentive"?
Can't help you there as I don't work for tiger!

I looks like a vast improvement though. Well done to the negotiators and the AFAP.

Latest pay offer at V on the other hand was rubbish. 2.5% for a captain including the rise 1st July.

SS may well be gone, but that other fool RT is still around. Hopefully he will be next to go!

Mr. Hat 25th Mar 2011 03:35

he'll be the fall guy
 

Hopefully he will be next to go!
predicted by many to happen just after the EBA..

limitedrisk 25th Mar 2011 06:06


So is J* NZ the lowest paying of them all?
Compared to who?
Qantas?
Jetstar Aus?
Jetstar Asia?
Virgin Blue?
PacBlue?
Jetconnect?
Tiger?

Are you comparing to Australian conditions? Worldwide conditions? South Pacific Conditions?

Captain or FO?

Base salary? or Total Gross earnings? or Total Package?

Transferred to $AUD or $USD or Sterling or something else?

I put it to you that Jetstar NZ Captains have higher Gross Earnings than Jetconnect and PacBlue Captains.

Cheers.

aussie027 25th Mar 2011 06:16

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Oxidant 25th Mar 2011 07:11


I put it to you that Jetstar NZ Captains have higher Gross Earnings than Jetconnect and PacBlue Captains.
Possible, however NOT if you compare $ per hours flown per year!
(Most NZ Cpts are hitting 1000hrs..........)

Jet Man 25th Mar 2011 08:19

Tailed, I wish it was that simple!

Mr. Hat 25th Mar 2011 08:26

oh christ I couldn't be bothered..

Fruet Mich 25th Mar 2011 10:50


I put it to you that Jetstar NZ Captains have higher Gross Earnings than Jetconnect and PacBlue Captains.
You might want to check your figures there fella, you may be quite surprised. Jetconnect Captains are actually on a pretty sweet deal, contrary to all the banter that is being thrown around. A friend of mine in Jetconnect showed me his gross earnings from his last financial year and it was close to $200k for working on average 75 block hours a month. So unless Jetstar NZ have had a massive pay rise I'd have to beg to differ on your post limitedrisk.

I guess that's why Jetstar NZ and Pac Blue have a constant stream of captains leaving for better paid jobs where Jetconnect seam to retain their Captains.

c173 25th Mar 2011 12:30

and what about the tiger cadets? havent seen anything on them here yet....but im pretty sure the program has gotten the go ahead

Sunstar320 25th Mar 2011 20:58


and what about the tiger cadets? havent seen anything on them here yet....but im pretty sure the program has gotten the go ahead
Its probaly SIN based like the previous. Tiger Sing already have cadets flying from previous programs.


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