Perth Airport
 

.......is a disgrace.

All it has taken is a 'pothole' in RW06/24 to cause HUGE disruption on the busiest day of the week. This pavement damage occurred yesterday early afternoon from what i have been told. Why could this not have been fixed overnight? No work was being done before the 'big rush' at 6 am this morning!

Not that it will ever happen but WAC needs to take a hard look at what is becoming a farce of an airport. This morning was 28 minutes from start up to wheels up. That is on op of the 16 minute delay past scheduled ETD due to no taxi-slots being available. :ugh: This is another gripe, when you know there is only 1 runway in operation why keep the same number of taxi-slots per 10 minute bracket? We were number 8.....yes 8 at the hold point/taxiway A1. It was like being at Heathrow when there is snow and fog around!

I dont expect any answers to this, just needed to vent as its becoming increasingly frustrating to be at work in the mornings! :ok:

Vent heard...
28 minutes is a lot but it's still nothing compared with stupidity at melb airport. At least 45 mins wait due single runway ops on 16. And while they're at it, the shut down almost half of it down in the middle of the night when cloud is forcast BKN008. So no one gets in! Intelligence of the situation is staggering.

YUP!!! I've seen better organisation in Port Morbid, truly.

One day last week, we missed our slot by 14 mins (whilst waiting for a tug).

We called up on ground for pushback and they said "you've missed your slot time - the next available is 40-50 mins from now". Our response was "ahh no i'm sorry we were given XXX slot on Clearance Delivery".... suckers!

Do they not realise they have 2 runways??

Also what's with the new rule where you cannot call up for a slot until 30 mins before??

Just one more thing you have to choreograph on a turnaround. Make the place a f***ing CTAF and be done with it.
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Geez beaver you'd have to Gen Y or I with a post like that.

You missed your slot time by 14 minutes because of your own problems, then you call ATC suckers? Please explain?

Next time you look at your Jepps, please note whilst there are two runways, they cross. You could have ten runways all crossing in the middle; are you suggesting the departure rate would be much better than only one runway?

That's to stop selfish buggers calling up two hours before for a slot. If you have a better system, then send it along to Wally. Maybe we should have an "out of the hat" system?

Pull up on blocks, do the parking checklist and get the effo to ask for a taxi slot. Surely that isn't too hard?

Go for it. :cool:

Finally and at last, taxiway Alpha through to Delta! Excellent! :ok: :ok: :D

Oh and Bloggs, it'd be nice if you guys stopped stealing our bays too! :ok:

Are they building the Oswals new place over between gates 8-11 or something!?

We're keeping them warm for when we kick you riff-raff over to the other side and move in for good! :E

"Has anybody seen my Fokker?" "Yeh, wayyyy over there". :}

Some serious concrete blocks free to a good home! :D

What a bunch of parochial country bumpkins. 28 minutes - what a pussy!

Over this end of town we get 3 hour delays and think nothing of it. Next time you call up after 3 hours on the bay with the door shut and the aero-bridge (do you know what they are?) retracted and get "waaaaaaaah deray undetermin" then you can have a whinge.

Backarsed country folk - sooooooweeeeee (is that banjos I can hear?) :}:ok::}

The problem with being unable to request a slot time outside of 30 mins is that if you stick to the current system, when you do request a taxi slot the "next availbale slot" is alway 20 to 30 mins after schedule :ugh::ugh:.

I have found ATC are usually fairly accomodating when requesting an early push back. Also been nastily chipped too :{:{:{

I dont think Oswal is having anything being built at the moment. Nice Bentley for sale too. Going cheap with an expected price tag of only $217,000 :ok:

CDM with slot compliance will fix it.

Missy,
I'm not sure about that. My understanding is that CDM only applies to inbound traffic, so unless crews delay their departure out of Perth to make good their later departure times from the outports, the current situation will remain. Delaying departures outbound just won't happen.

Bloggs,
CDM will involve absobing delays on the ground at your outbound port. Your company will also have input into which flights they would prefer to delay.
Have a google on Metron Harmony
From an ATC perspective I'm hoping for some common sense. The PMQ-SY jet flight departs with a 37 minute flight time to enter the hold with 55 minute delay after 18 minutes of actual flying time. Waste of the pilots, passengers and airlines time.

Max,
That is crazy. Wouldn't happen over here. You get a slot time before takeoff coming inbound and it's honoured.

Re Metron, agreed it will fix the inbound holding. Can't wait to be growled-at by Broooome tower "You're not compliant, Bloggs!". Chadzat though is complaining about the taxi slot system trying to get away from Perth.

Yes but only a finite amount of non-radar airspace with a bunch of aircraft all launching into it and heading mostly in the same direction. I've no doubt that PH TWR can launch the aircraft much more quickly than they do.

As for 28 minutes from start up to airborne. Pfft. Obviously got the 'short wait'.

A refueller mate of mine over there reckons that it was repaired overnight that night, between about 1am and 4am, after the east coast redeye rush and majority of the internationals had been and gone. Unfortunately for you guys, if the repair was made with asphalt, this material typically requires some curing time before it can be safely returned to normal service and so I imagine this would have been the reason you all needed to use the long runway.

You wait until the real works start in a few weeks. Once they finish finally fixing Twy W, you are going to loose Rwy06/24 for a few weeks while the other catch up works take place.

By now you should have noticed the fence around the old Twr signalling its imminent demise. :eek:

By the way if anyone has a better idea to manage to manage the taxi slot times lets hear it!!

This is Perth WA we are talking about right ?

With the delays, slot times etc people are talking about you would think it was JFK, PEK or something more like a real airport ;)

A good start would be to use runway 24 for departures. I know, noise abatement. Well design a SID that says at 500' you make a max rate, min speed climbing right turn.

Second. Slots appear useless if you still have a 28 minute delay. Would be easier to call ready to start and work from there. It cannot be a worse outcome than what happens at present.

Or just build a decent airport with a paraellel runway.

But that would take money Neville :ugh: :rolleyes:

I remember when at Adelaide airport you walked across the tarmac, and that was 2001!

How things change, this is the latest I see from Australian Aviation:
Adelaide launches airport building program | Australian Aviation Magazine.

Pity the owners of Perth airport cant spend some money on a new runway, but then at least a new terminal with new shops and people stuck in them because of delays makes more money for Westralia Airport Corporation I guess.:{

It was discussed on here a while ago but don't forget that the Perth master plan is predicting growth over the next 10 years with no change in infrastructure. If the airport is at capacity now, who knows how long you will be waiting for in 10 years time.

I think the only good thing a Carbon Tax might do for aviation is put some pressure on the government to actually build some decent aviation infrastructure and services. It will no longer be acceptable to sit in traffic induced holding patterns or be number 28 for takeoff if your fuel burn is being taxed into oblivion.