Seems very light to me too.

SQ: 12 first 50 business 318 economy = 380
CX: 9 first 46 business 324 economy = 379

Are QF at 310 flying around with 70 less?

You overlooked noip's ie. 4 class config

QF 747's have a variety of configs
If QF bring out a 2 class A380 then it will still have 50% more than the 412 of the 744. However I guess a 2 class A380 would be painted orange and silver.

Before some idiot savant mathemetician corrects me - the full config I was referring to is 317. However now that the window dressing is corrected, the original picture is still correct.

The original question that was asked, mistakenly took a 2 class config 747 and compared it to the full premium A380 and wondered why the A380 only had a small increase in the pax load. It was inadvertently comparing two unlike situations.

Of course if we really want to get picky, we could refer to the passenger count on a 747 that QF set by carrying over 600 on a couple of trips in early 1975, but then that was somewhat "special"... and wouldn't add anything.


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Sorry Noip I see what you are on about now, I have always had trouble with the 'Apples to Apples' arguments and you are correct.

Knew there was something about it!
 

"An A380 is basically two A330s flying in formation."

Everytime I look at the A388 I get a feeling...hahaha

This has the right proportions - unlike the Dugong
 

Boeing Celebrates Premiere of New 747-8 Intercontinental

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Everett, Wash. - Boeing (NYSE: BA) today unveiled its new 747-8 Intercontinental, the new high-capacity passenger airplane that offers airlines the lowest operating costs and best economics of any large passenger airplane while providing enhanced environmental performance.

Approximately 10,000 guests, including customers, Boeing employees, government officials, partners and suppliers, gathered in the factory in Everett, Wash., to witness the premiere of the Intercontinental at an event themed "Incredible, Again." Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and Chief Executive Officer Jim Albaugh said the newest 747 incorporates technological advancements that make it an extremely productive airplane for customers.

"The new 747-8 Intercontinental features the latest in innovative technologies - applying many of the breakthroughs also found on the 787 Dreamliner," said Albaugh. "We think our customers will value the low operating costs and passengers will enjoy the comfort of the striking new interior."

"The 747-8 Intercontinental will be a great complement to our fleet, fitting nicely into the 400-seat category, improving our fleet's eco-efficiency even further," said Nico Buchholz, executive vice president, Lufthansa Group Fleet Management. "As launch customer, we are looking forward to welcoming this new aircraft to our fleet next year as it adds to our ongoing fleet modernization and environmental efforts."

Korean Air and VIP customers have joined launch customer Lufthansa in ordering a total of 33 747-8 Intercontinentals. First delivery of the 747-8 Intercontinental is scheduled for the fourth quarter.

"As the only airplane in the 400 to 500-seat market, the 747-8 Intercontinental will give operators an airplane perfectly suited for long, heavily traveled routes around the world," said Pat Shanahan, vice president and general manager, Airplane Programs, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "The new 747-8 Intercontinental will set a new standard in economic and environmental performance, while providing a world-class passenger experience."

The 747-8 Intercontinental will have the lowest seat-mile cost of any large commercial jetliner, with 12 percent lower costs than its predecessor, the 747-400. The airplane provides 16 percent better fuel economy, 16 percent less carbon emissions per passenger and generates a 30 percent smaller noise footprint than the 747-400. The 747-8 Intercontinental applies interior features from the 787 Dreamliner that includes a new curved, upswept architecture giving passengers a greater feeling of space and comfort, while adding more room for personal belongings.

The airplane unveiled today is painted in a new Sunrise livery of red-orange that only will appear on the first 747-8 Intercontinental and is a significant departure from Boeing's standard blue. The new color palette honors many key Boeing customers whose cultures recognize these colors as symbols of prosperity and good luck.

Source : The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA)

............and much better looking ! ;)

Trouble is the idiots running a once great oz airline will still think its old technology.

A380 and 744 as prime Int Fleet - Are you kidding me?
 

The idiots always buy the wrong plane, pick the wrong routes and employ the wrong CEO...:mad:

At the time QF should have bought the 777 QF idiots decided to hang on too long to some old a/c in fleet ie. 743 and early 744.

By not making the capital investment it helped make the ailrine look more profitable (somebody got fat on it and then did a runner) even if it was short sighted and only short term. Instead they made a small order for the ER. At the time they could have offloaded up to 10 744 with a nice resale and ordered up to 15 777. But no, it was thought better value to stick to the 744 - you goose

Back in 2001 the 773ER was $20,000,000 more the 744. Funny how SQ amd EK bought the more expensive plane. How many hundreds of millions are they going to save in fuel over a 20 year life of the plane.

Dont start me on this. If they wanted the A380 Gooney Dugong Whale Blimp they really really should have bought the 773ER. :ugh: Going back to my nice F seat - hostess:rolleyes: bring me another drink

B77W DOW 179.3 MZFW 237.7 Payload 58.4 tonnes
A388 DOW 300.0 MZFW 373.0 Payload 73.0 tonnes

You do the math:ugh:

She lives!
 

How?

"she lives" Yes the amazing marketing statistic lives on no matter what the cost

As long as the cost of repair is less than the cost of a new aircraft she will be repaired, it has ever been thus, 99.9% of the time.

So you are confirming that the Dugong is overweight!! 105 tonnes heavier than the B744ER & 100 tonnes heavier than the B747-8 - when you compare the available payload v fuel consumption, I know which one I'd pick if I was running an airline. :)